Does demon possession exist?

[vcsgrizzfan]

is that from paranormal activity? Great movie. If ghosts were real, that kind of thing would have happened for real by now.

We'd also have evidence of UFO's if those were real.

And still not one iota of evidence that there is a god. The god theory is the most researched of all time with the least evidence of all time.

I agree with the ghosts and God things.....not so much with the UFO's.

If superior intelligences that possess the technology to travel at the speed of light, or some other interstellar way, then they most certainly have the ability to avoid detection from a civilization that has only discovered the ability to look past it's own solar system in the past 100 years.

Heres how i look at that. We dont know what percentage of planets have life, but its probably small. And a much smaller percentage that have intelligent life. And an even smaller percentage that have intelligence far greater than ours. Even our planet was full of dumb ass dinosaurs for 50 million years.

So, while there are trillions and trillions of planets and plenty of intelligent life out there, they are likely so far away that to reach here would take millions of years traveling at the speed of light. Doesnt seem plausible or worth the trip. I dont see the purpose of an intelligent species being here and just spending every day hiding from us.

You obviously aren't familiar with THE PRIME DIRECTIVE!!

[Alex_Murphy]

Wailua be like...

[Bush4Ever.]

If Aliens came to Earth, their programming would still get bogged down trying to understand and figure out Artman.

Since Grizz made a Star Trek reference, it would be like that episode where the Federation was about to genocide the Borg with the self-replicating geometry virus that couldn't be solved, thus keeping the Borg in some sort of programming loop to infinity and ultimately killing them (before Picard got soft and made one of those worst decisions in human history to not use it).

[lettherebehouse]

Looks like folks here are struggling to understand the concept brought up by Ripper regarding “beyond human comprehension & understanding”.

Madness ova here hyperventilating talm’bout

“Here’s how I look at it”
“I dont understand why...”

[Robceltsfan]

Didn't know Grizz and Bush were fellow Trekkies.

Cheers, my friends!

[Uncontroversial]

Looks like folks here are struggling to understand the concept brought up by Ripper regarding “beyond human comprehension & understanding”.

Madness ova here hyperventilating talm’bout

“Here’s how I look at it”
“I dont understand why...”

ripper is a retard. All those things are observable by us using technology we created. His post wasnt worth responding to because of how stupid it was/he is.

[Bush4Ever.]

Looks like folks here are struggling to understand the concept brought up by Ripper regarding “beyond human comprehension & understanding”.

Madness ova here hyperventilating talm’bout

“Here’s how I look at it”
“I dont understand why...”

Rob believes there are aliens here, but we don't see them because they are using cloaking technology or the Cloak of Invisibility from Harry Potter.

Rob also believes God doesn't exist because we don't see him. Rob believes the creator of all existence couldn't mask his presence from beings who were slinging their feces at each other a million years in the past (and some do so currently).

SMH

[Robceltsfan]

Looks like folks here are struggling to understand the concept brought up by Ripper regarding “beyond human comprehension & understanding”.

Madness ova here hyperventilating talm’bout

“Here’s how I look at it”
“I dont understand why...”

Rob believes there are aliens here, but we don't see them because they are using cloaking technology or the Cloak of Invisibility from Harry Potter.

Rob also believes God doesn't exist because we don't see him. Rob believes the creator of all existence couldn't mask his presence from beings who were slinging their feces at each other a million years in the past (and some do so currently).

SMH

The likelihood of aliens with superior technology being able to mask their presence is infinitely more likely than your invisible man caring whether or not you jack off to midget porn on the floor of your mom's closet.

[Bush4Ever.]

The likelihood of aliens with superior technology being able to mask their presence is infinitely more likely than your invisible man caring whether or not you jack off to midget porn on the floor of your mom's closet.

That was oddly specific.

Anyway, my only point is how desperate you are for there to be a higher power, combined with how desperate you are for that higher power to not be God.

Someone who says there is no proof for aliens or God is at least being internally consistent within their worldview and methodology. Ditto with people who believe in God (or at least don't actively disbelieve) but also accept the potential for other life in the universe.

People who believe in aliens but not God are illustrating that they have a teenage-like mentality and hatred towards God.

[vcsgrizzfan]

rob obliterating Bush ITT.

[ripper76]

A big part of the issue with discussions like this is that people get caught up on words like "demon" or "God" and they get stuck on their preconceived notions of such things that come from childhood and fairy-tales, instead of the bigger picture and concepts that are actually being contemplated. Most people aren't capable of having a discussion on metaphysics because their ego doesn't allow them to start from the premise that they aren't even able to comprehend how much they don't know, let alone acknowledge it.

[rileymartin]

Ripper is the same guy who thought he blew open the Vegas shooting incident because of an order of French fries...

[Bush4Ever.]

rob obliterating Bush ITT.

Rob hates God because God doesn't want him to jack off to midget porn, and isn't thrilled with the behaviors leading to his BMI. For his part, God doesn't even stop Rob from doing those things under free will.

There is a meaningful chance any aliens that could come to Earth would make even the old testament God look like a complete pushover.

Rob very well might be stanning for beings that would see him as we see worms or bugs.

[vcsgrizzfan]

rob obliterating Bush ITT.

Rob hates God because God doesn't want him to jack off to midget porn, and isn't thrilled with the behaviors leading to his BMI. For his part, God doesn't even stop Rob from doing those things under free will.

There is a meaningful chance any aliens that could come to Earth would make even the old testament God look like a complete pushover.

Rob very well might be stanning for beings that would see him as we see worms or bugs.

I know you are trolling, but you answered my troll, so I'll answer yours.

Rob doesn't hate God. He simply doesn't believe he exists. I don't think he necessarily believes in aliens visiting earth (he can answer that), but he believes advanced aliens are more likely to exist and have been here than God. That is certainly tenable.

I don't believe aliens have been here because I think the technological problems to make traveling that distance are insurmountable, but I know I am on shaky ground on that one because of my limited ability to understand how much further advanced other worlds might be. I definitely believe there are other intelligent beings (however you want to define that) in the universes out there because the odds that in the trillions of galaxies out there that we are "all by our lonesome" is preposterous to me.

[lettherebehouse]

“He simply doesn’t believe”
“He simply believes”
“I don’t believe”
“I definitely believe”

~ Grizzfan

[Kingcarl24]

This thread is severely missing Clevetown.

[vcsgrizzfan]

This thread is severely missing Clevetown.

You should pipe in here Carl. I don't want to be rude, but I t hought your religion believed that you potentially have the opportunity to have your own world to rule in the future?

[Robceltsfan]

Kind of weird that Bush thinks "technologically advanced" and "higher power" are one in the same.

If that's the case, your "God" could have simply been some advanced alien with unfathomable powers.

The two are not the same, though. Being smarter doesn't qualify you as a deity.

[Bush4Ever.]

I know you are trolling, but you answered my troll, so I'll answer yours.

Rob doesn't hate God. He simply doesn't believe he exists. I don't think he necessarily believes in aliens visiting earth (he can answer that), but he believes advanced aliens are more likely to exist and have been here than God. That is certainly tenable.

I don't believe aliens have been here because I think the technological problems to make traveling that distance are insurmountable, but I know I am on shaky ground on that one because of my limited ability to understand how much further advanced other worlds might be. I definitely believe there are other intelligent beings (however you want to define that) in the universes out there because the odds that in the trillions of galaxies out there that we are "all by our lonesome" is preposterous to me.

I'm being light-hearted but not trolling.

Rob actively hates God, or the concept of God.

He's a rabid anti-theist. Not just an atheist dispassionately attempt to find his way to truth.

Believing God cannot exist while aliens definitely exist because of the size of the universe (as if God himself couldn't ALSO be tucked away in some pocket of the universe like these theoretical aliens are) illustrates someone is mixing in emotion and autism with their analysis, even with handfuls of rationality thrown in the mix.

Literally every single "but but but....size of the universe super big even if we don't have direct contact/evidence" objection to the rejection of aliens also would apply to God (or a God-like being in general).

[Kingcarl24]

This thread is severely missing Clevetown.

You should pipe in here Carl. I don't want to be rude, but I t hought your religion believed that you potentially have the opportunity to have your own world to rule in the future?

Not sure I have much to add. I already stated that anybody that calls themselves a Christian should say they believe demon possessions exist. There are several accounts in the Bible of it happening.

We do believe in eternal progression if that's what you're referring to. The own world thing has been twisted so much it's almost funny to see people still bring it up. We definitely don't believe that you die and go to heaven or hell and either suffer for eternity or praise God for eternity. I'd be happy to go into more but probably through pms if people are interested.