LeBron homers owned

[Bush4Ever.]

"The 1991 Pistons would be a super team in the modern NBA"

-Artman

[vcsgrizzfan]

No you definitely are being a moron, I literally just text some guys about the responses I’ve read in here and 2 of them were coached and they even laughed and said you guys obviously don’t know shit. I agree with them

Empirical evidence says otherwise. I'll go with that. I know you'd love to suck MJ's cock Deez, and have Pippen give you a facial, but that doesn't change the fact those teams were built to succeed in the 90s against the likes of the slothful Knicks and would get their shit pushed in by the Warriors. Cheers.

blah blah blah, all depends once again which era. Golden state is playing in a chuck era, it would be different if they played back then but we won’t ever know. Leave it at that

No, they would still get their shit pushed in over a long series, 99% of the time. But it would be closer. I'm talking about magically transporting the recent Warrior iterations back to the 90s. They can still hit 3s at a ridiculous clip, every one of them can put the ball on the deck, they are all decent to great passers and they have a very solid team defense.

[Deez]

Empirical evidence says otherwise. I'll go with that. I know you'd love to suck MJ's cock Deez, and have Pippen give you a facial, but that doesn't change the fact those teams were built to succeed in the 90s against the likes of the slothful Knicks and would get their shit pushed in by the Warriors. Cheers.

blah blah blah, all depends once again which era. Golden state is playing in a chuck era, it would be different if they played back then but we won’t ever know. Leave it at that

No, they would still get their shit pushed in over a long series, 99% of the time. But it would be closer. I'm talking about magically transporting the recent Warrior iterations back to the 90s. They can still hit 3s at a ridiculous clip, every one of them can put the ball on the deck, they are all decent to great passers and they have a very solid team defense.

You are delusional as fuck. The bulls wouldn’t let them get those threes. They wouldn’t be playing in the No D era today.

[Bush4Ever.]

The 2017 Warriors actually gave up fewer points per possession than each of the first threepeat Bulls teams.

While playing in an era with better offense, rules that (per Deez) forbade a player from touching an offensive player or contesting a shot, etc...

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[Havlicekstealsit]

It would be comical watching the Dubs run elevators on studmuffin defenders like Jason Caffey & Dickey Simpkins.

[Deez]

The 2017 Warriors actually gave up fewer points per possession than each of the first threepeat Bulls teams.

While playing in an era with better offense, rules that (per Deez) forbade a player from touching an offensive player or contesting a shot, etc...

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Oh well then. The bulls D is better than golden states.

[vcsgrizzfan]

blah blah blah, all depends once again which era. Golden state is playing in a chuck era, it would be different if they played back then but we won’t ever know. Leave it at that

No, they would still get their shit pushed in over a long series, 99% of the time. But it would be closer. I'm talking about magically transporting the recent Warrior iterations back to the 90s. They can still hit 3s at a ridiculous clip, every one of them can put the ball on the deck, they are all decent to great passers and they have a very solid team defense.

You are delusional as fuck. The bulls wouldn’t let them get those threes. They wouldn’t be playing in the No D era today.

The bulls defended 18 feet in dude. What the fuck is Luc Longley going to do? When Kerr plays his 24 minutes a game, how in God's name are you going to hide him defensively. Harper wasn't a bad defender, but do you really think he's got a hope on Steph? Put MJ on Steph. Sure, but he gets run around the whole game and it takes a lot away from his offense, and Curry still makes a bunch of 30 footers over him. Who's guarding Klay? Judd Buechler?

There are 5-6 guys on that Bulls roster that could essentially NEVER see the floor. Longley, Wennington, Edwards, Simpkins, Caffey... They would always be awful defensive mismatches. Kerr could see the floor, but hiding him defensively would be hard. You're basically left with MJ, Harper, Pippen and Rodman(who's already not capable of playing a million minutes anymore) and rookie Kukoc who aren't almost impossible to hide defensively. It's just not a good matchup dude. It was made to face 90s type teams like the Pistons and Knicks. Not the Warriors.

And defensively, the Warriors need to worry about 2 guys essentially. That's it. You don't need to worry about Rodman, whoever you trot out at C or most of the time, Harper. It's just not a good matchup for the Bulls.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

[vcsgrizzfan]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

I think absent the last paragraph, that's pretty much exactly what I said. And Iggy was a 6th man guy on the Warriors, not someone that they would desperately need like the Bulls would need Harper in this matchup.

[Bush4Ever.]

It's fine to play the "don't penalize the Bulls because they were built for their era" card, provided you don't penalize the Warriors for not clotheslining people on defense or having a back-to-basket center who makes a mean face while shooting a running hook shot and things associated with the 1990s but not modern era.

It cuts both ways.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

I think absent the last paragraph, that's pretty much exactly what I said. And Iggy was a 6th man guy on the Warriors, not someone that they would desperately need like the Bulls would need Harper in this matchup.

Imagine the 1986 Celtics vs. the Warriors. Would Parish even get on the court? Walton? And they were HOF guys, obviously.

[vcsgrizzfan]

It's fine to play the "don't penalize the Bulls because they were built for their era" card, provided you don't penalize the Warriors for not clotheslining people on defense or having a back-to-basket center who makes a mean face while shooting a running hook shot and things associated with the 1990s but not modern era.

It cuts both ways.

And like it or not, the Warriors game translates better going back in time, than the Bulls game translates going forward in time.

[vcsgrizzfan]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

I think absent the last paragraph, that's pretty much exactly what I said. And Iggy was a 6th man guy on the Warriors, not someone that they would desperately need like the Bulls would need Harper in this matchup.

Imagine the 1986 Celtics vs. the Warriors. Would Parish even get on the court? Walton?

A younger version of Walton would be absolutely essential for the Celtics to be at all competitive. They would desperately need his more mobile defense and passing. The 77 or 78 version that wasn't hobbled by injuries.

[elartman1973]

"The 1991 Pistons would be a super team in the modern NBA"

-Artman

They would

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think absent the last paragraph, that's pretty much exactly what I said. And Iggy was a 6th man guy on the Warriors, not someone that they would desperately need like the Bulls would need Harper in this matchup.

Imagine the 1986 Celtics vs. the Warriors. Would Parish even get on the court? Walton?

A younger version of Walton would be absolutely essential for the Celtics to be at all competitive. They would desperately need his more mobile defense and passing. The 77 or 78 version that wasn't hobbled by injuries.

Another angle that amuses me...

Game 1: The Warriors shoot 16 - 38 on three pointers and it's praised as the reason they won since the Celtics only went 1 - 3.

Game 2: Does an emboldened Larry Bird just start chucking from deep... evolving into the classic Stretch 4 that he'd have been awesome at in the modern era... right before our eyes. We could see the light bulb shining above his head sometime in the second quarter? K.C. Jones' head would probably explode shortly thereafter.

[vcsgrizzfan]

"The 1991 Pistons would be a super team in the modern NBA"

-Artman

They would

Don't be a nuisance Artie. Thanks.

[Deez]

Also Pippens wingspan is all of 2” less than Durants, yes he would slow Durant down. He’s as athletic or more so than Durant. He’s a shit load better defensively. You forget the bulls still have Jordan who is gonna score and get his.

[Deez]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

Solid take, can’t argue with this. The teams were built for their era and beating the other teams. We could say if this and that all day.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Bulls were built to excel in the 1990s. The Warriors were built for 2015 - 2019.

It's not really fair to put guys like Wennington, Longley or Simpkins in a equal comparison with those Warriors. They made the Bulls because they were matching up with other plodding players in a league that hadn't embraced the three pointer yet.

But one interesting comparison between the two teams... is how Ron Harper and Andre Iguodala were sorta similar. Both guys had some legit success as the primary scorer on decent teams early in their careers and then transitioned into complementary players who excelled defensively while taking a backseat to even better scorers for the good of the team. Both were tough. And pretty versatile.

Solid take, can’t argue with this. The teams were built for their era and beating the other teams. We could say if this and that all day.

Exactly. A better comparison would be among teams from fairly similar eras. For example:

1986 Celtics >> Bulls.

[vcsgrizzfan]

Also Pippens wingspan is all of 2” less than Durants, yes he would slow Durant down. He’s as athletic or more so than Durant. He’s a shit load better defensively. You forget the bulls still have Jordan who is gonna score and get his.

You're doubling down on the stupid Deez. Do you think anyone here thinks Jordan isn't going to get his? And Durant is not far from 7' tall dude. He shoots over Pippen all day long.

Address the key points Deez, or just withdraw from the thread. I listed them a few posts back. It's just an awful matchup for the Bulls for many reasons on both sides of the ball. Leave your biases at the door and think a little.