Marathoned Lakers-Celtics G7

[kobeunderbite]

What a beautiful game, I skipped around and mostly watched the 4th but just a great game. Pau was so good, it's a tragedy he and Kobe didn't have more time together in their primes, they would have won a few more rings. Pau just owning the paint, using and abusing KG/Sheed/Davis on multiple occasions, huge clutch block on Pierce followed by a bucket over three Celtics to push the lead to a game high 6 with under 2 minutes to go. Huge offensive board with under 30 seconds left, Celtics would have had the ball down 3, literally bowls over Rondo to grab it while green jerseys watch helplessly lol. We should have nabbed Pau in 2004, made the Shaq deal a three-way.

[Shill Jackson]

Greatest defensive game of all time

[thedangerouskitchen]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

[kennethgriffin24]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

even during kobes worst game he controlled everything in the last 15 minutes

3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )
0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on open vujacic from kobe double team ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )



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Rondo: It’s interesting, I just found out something about Kobe, what he did in the 2010 championship Game 7. How he broke the game down and figured out how to beat us. I can’t give you the insight on that, but I just found that out. Like, maybe 45 minutes ago. It kinda pissed me off a little bit. It’s part of it, but it’s craziness. It’s amazing how he thinks the game, and it’s fun to know that.

MT: Wait, wait … so in Game 7, Kobe figure something out during the game that helped the Lakers beat the Celtics for a championship, or did he do it between Game 6 and Game 7?

Rondo: I don’t know if it was going into the game, but it was told to me that he had to figure it out during the game. He wasn’t himself. So he had to figure out a different way to win the game.

MT: OK wait, so you heard it from Rob (Pelinka)?

Rondo: Somebody. (laughs) I can’t give you my source.

[thedangerouskitchen]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

[lettherebehouse]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

even during kobes worst game he controlled everything in the last 15 minutes

3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )
0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on open vujacic from kobe double team ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )



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Rondo: It’s interesting, I just found out something about Kobe, what he did in the 2010 championship Game 7. How he broke the game down and figured out how to beat us. I can’t give you the insight on that, but I just found that out. Like, maybe 45 minutes ago. It kinda pissed me off a little bit. It’s part of it, but it’s craziness. It’s amazing how he thinks the game, and it’s fun to know that.

MT: Wait, wait … so in Game 7, Kobe figure something out during the game that helped the Lakers beat the Celtics for a championship, or did he do it between Game 6 and Game 7?

Rondo: I don’t know if it was going into the game, but it was told to me that he had to figure it out during the game. He wasn’t himself. So he had to figure out a different way to win the game.

MT: OK wait, so you heard it from Rob (Pelinka)?

Rondo: Somebody. (laughs) I can’t give you my source.

I bet you typed that play by play from memory

[Shill Jackson]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

It’s almost like he had three defenders trying to stop him on every shot.
Go back to your bottle Glory.

[kennethgriffin24]

I said it at the time and I'll say it again today: Pau Gasol was, at the very minimum (at least) "as valuable" to the Lakers winning that series as Kobe.

Should have been co-Finals MVP's without question (at least), but I get it... the media at the time was on the Kobe bandwagon, desperately trying to pump him up as The Next Jordan (or better, as Mark Jackson foolishly claimed before Kobe even won his first lead-dog ring without Shaq), the same way they're slobbering all over LeBron today.

Still... Pau got shafted.

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

wrong on everything

for the first 6 games kobe averaged 29.5ppg/6.4rpg/4.2apg/2.3spg on 1.27 points per shot. 0.01 below his career average ( larry birds career average is 1.25 btw... so if you're gonna shit on kobes 2010 finals you're basically saying larry birds career was worse than kobe at his lowest point )

kobes game 7 was such a defensive battle for everyone and him that his 6 for 24 shooting brought his point per shot% down to 1.22

it masks his overall great series..



and jordans 1996 and 1998 finals are actually ranked lower than kobes in terms of efficiency

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[Alex_Murphy]

is it really a marathon if you only watch 1 game?

cringe.

[elartman1973]

What a beautiful game, I skipped around and mostly watched the 4th but just a great game. Pau was so good, it's a tragedy he and Kobe didn't have more time together in their primes, they would have won a few more rings. Pau just owning the paint, using and abusing KG/Sheed/Davis on multiple occasions, huge clutch block on Pierce followed by a bucket over three Celtics to push the lead to a game high 6 with under 2 minutes to go. Huge offensive board with under 30 seconds left, Celtics would have had the ball down 3, literally bowls over Rondo to grab it while green jerseys watch helplessly lol. We should have nabbed Pau in 2004, made the Shaq deal a three-way.

Why would you research a fucking knkwn outcomes game?
Sad sad life

[thedangerouskitchen]

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

It’s almost like he had three defenders trying to stop him on every shot.
Go back to your bottle Glory.

Which is why I said his shot-selection and decision-making was terribly inconsistent... ... still got your head lodged firmly inside Kobe's keyster, eh?


Shill: "He was shooting 25 foot bombs and fade-aways with 3 defenders draped all over him"

Common sense: "Then why was he chuckin' twice as many shots as the next guy?"

[kennethgriffin24]

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

It’s almost like he had three defenders trying to stop him on every shot.
Go back to your bottle Glory.

Which is why I said his shot-selection and decision-making was terribly inconsistent... ... still got your head lodged firmly inside Kobe's keyster, eh?


Shill: "He was shooting 25 foot bombs and fade-aways with 3 defenders draped all over him"

Common sense: "Then why was he chuckin' twice as many shots as the next guy?"

i just proved he was only truly inconsistent/bad for 2.75 quarters of a 7 game series and you conveniently ignored my post. i also showed 2 of jordans finals series are actually ranked lower than kobes 2010 series in terms of efficiency and you also ignored that

[thedangerouskitchen]

no he wasn't lol. kobe controlled the entire offense/defensive boards and nearly all of paus assists came from kobe initially drawing the double. and most of his jumpers were from pick and pops from kobe or a hockey assist

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

wrong on everything

for the first 6 games kobe averaged 29.5ppg/6.4rpg/4.2apg/2.3spg on 1.27 points per shot. 0.01 below his career average ( larry birds career average is 1.25 btw... so if you're gonna shit on kobes 2010 finals you're basically saying larry birds career was worse than kobe at his lowest point )

kobes game 7 was such a defensive battle for everyone and him that his 6 for 24 shooting brought his point per shot% down to 1.22

it masks his overall great series..

Game 1 Gasol put up 23 Points (on just 14 shots - 57%) with 14 Rebounds (8 on the Offensive end - as many as the entire Celtics team combined) with 3 Assists, 3 Blocks, and excellent Defense on KG (holding him to just 5 rebounds and 16 points on 16 shots). Kobe scored 30, but he needed 8 more shots to score just 7 more points than Pau. He also had 7 rebounds and 6 assists. I'd give the slight edge to Gasol (because of his Efficiency and dominance on the Offensive glass), but I can live with this game being a wash... either way I don't see any scenario where Kobe was the clear-cut better player in this game.

Game 2 Pau was clearly the best Lakers player on the floor.

Game 3 Kobe scored 29 points on 29 shots... .345% from the field. He "missed" 19 shots in a snail's-paced game where possessions were at a premium for both teams. Gasol wasn't great (13/10/4/2/46%) but Kobe was literally killing the team with all those misses. Lakers clearly won this game "in spite of" Kobe's horrific shooting. That said, I'd call this game a wash because Gasol did allow KG to go off for 25 on 11-16 shooting, which offsets Kobe's 19 misses. Also IIRC it was Fisher who came up huge for the Lakers down the stretch, to secure the win

Games 4 and 5 go to Kobe.

Game 6 Gasol dropped 17/13/9/1/3/43% to Kobe's 26/11/3/4/47%, both guys played solid Defense as well; but Pau with an Assist shy of a Triple Double is hard to ignore, again, in such a low-scoring, slow-paced game. Still, I'd call this game a wash as well.

Game 7 goes to Pau pretty clearly as well.

So I have it Games 2 and 7 for Gasol, and Kobe taking Games 4 and 5... with Games 1, 3 and 6 being a wash.

[kennethgriffin24]

Kobe may have been the #1 focal point of opposing Defenses, but his decision-making and shot-selection was terribly inconsistent... not to mention he also made more mistakes (by far) than any other Lakers player (ie; more than twice as many Turnovers than his next closest teammate, an average of 14 "missed" shots a game, etc).

This series was played at a snail's pace with Offensive possessions at a premium. Needless to say all those misses would have surely cost the Lakers the series if not for Gasol's Offensive Rebounding, which gave LA an extra 5 possession per game on average... that's the potential to score an extra 10-15 Points per game, while Kobe's turnovers / missed shots were taking possessions / points away from the Lakers and giving them to Boston.

Gasol absolutely dominated Boston on the Offensive glass during the series; in three (3) separate games he grabbed as many or more OR's than the entire Celtics team combined... and again, in such a slow-paced, half-court / defensive-oriented series as that was, all those extra possessions Pau got for the Lakers was arguably the #1 reason why they won.

Yeah Kobe scored more points, but he also took 10 more FGA per game with terrible Efficiency, which made all those Offensive Rebounds by Pau even more critical.

Gasol was also the Lakers' best / most efficient Play-maker/Facilitator (based on AST/TO ratio), their best Rebounder by far, their most Efficient Scorer, and arguably their best Defender (given the job he did on KG) - although Kobe played great D as well.

There is no scenario where you could call Kobe "more" valuable in this series than Pau. "As valuable" sure, because of the attention he commanded from Boston's Defense... but that attention was offset by all of Kobe's mistakes, and sorry but you don't get to cherry-pick "only" the good and forget about the bad.

wrong on everything

for the first 6 games kobe averaged 29.5ppg/6.4rpg/4.2apg/2.3spg on 1.27 points per shot. 0.01 below his career average ( larry birds career average is 1.25 btw... so if you're gonna shit on kobes 2010 finals you're basically saying larry birds career was worse than kobe at his lowest point )

kobes game 7 was such a defensive battle for everyone and him that his 6 for 24 shooting brought his point per shot% down to 1.22

it masks his overall great series..

Game 1 Gasol put up 23 Points (on just 14 shots - 57%) with 14 Rebounds (8 on the Offensive end - as many as the entire Celtics team combined) with 3 Assists, 3 Blocks, and excellent Defense on KG (holding him to just 5 rebounds and 16 points on 16 shots). Kobe scored 30, but he needed 8 more shots to score just 7 more points than Pau. He also had 7 rebounds and 6 assists. I'd give the slight edge to Gasol (because of his Efficiency and dominance on the Offensive glass), but I can live with this game being a wash... either way I don't see any scenario where Kobe was the clear-cut better player in this game.

Game 2 Pau was clearly the best Lakers player on the floor.

Game 3 Kobe scored 29 points on 29 shots... .345% from the field. He "missed" 19 shots in a snail's-paced game where possessions were at a premium for both teams. Gasol wasn't great (13/10/4/2/46%) but Kobe was literally killing the team with all those misses. Lakers clearly won this game "in spite of" Kobe's horrific shooting. That said, I'd call this game a wash because Gasol did allow KG to go off for 25 on 11-16 shooting, which offsets Kobe's 19 misses. Also IIRC it was Fisher who came up huge for the Lakers down the stretch, to secure the win

Games 4 and 5 go to Kobe.

Game 6 Gasol dropped 17/13/9/1/3/43% to Kobe's 26/11/3/4/47%, both guys played solid Defense as well; but Pau with an Assist shy of a Triple Double is hard to ignore, again, in such a low-scoring, slow-paced game. Still, I'd call this game a wash as well.

Game 7 goes to Pau pretty clearly as well.

So I have it Games 1, 2 and 7 for Gasol, and Kobe taking Games 4 and 5... with Games 3 and 6 being a wash. But as noted, Kobe gets props for being the #1 focal point of the Defense, which is why they should have been co Finals MVP's.

big men are naturally going to be more efficient. especially when they're entirely dependent on the guard to get open looks/easy buckets

like i said ...kobe averaged 30/7/4/2 on 1.27 points per shot for 6 games. only his first 2.75 quarters of game 7 were truly bad and he saved the game in the end by having a hand in nearly every bucket/free throw attempt over the last 15 minutes.


you can argue for gasols 18 points and solid rebounding till you're blue in the face. the obvious leader was kobe. anyone who watched the games could tell he drew all the defensive attention. its silly to argue this


gasol never drew the defense to get kobe open. not even once. he was not the focal point

[kennethgriffin24]

shaq drew all the defensive attention in the 2001 playoffs and kobe led the lakers in overall playoff win shares


are you gonna try and tell people a 22 year old kobe was more important to the 2001 lakers than peak shaq?


even i know kobe didn't truly become a more important player to the lakers till 2003



what tdk is suffering from is lebron fans disease. its where you just look at some box scores and try to speak on something you know nothing about

[Bartman]

TDK already destroying Griff in only his first week back.

[kennethgriffin24]

TDK already destroying Griff in only his first week back.

alright so you're basically saying


Pau Gasol > Kobe Bryant > Larry Bird



30/7/4/2 on 1.27 points per shot ( birds a career 1.25? )





sorry i don't buy it... leadership/focal point/10+more ppg > shooting a higher percentage and grabbing more rebounds because you're 7 feet tall and feeding off kobe

[thedangerouskitchen]

It’s almost like he had three defenders trying to stop him on every shot.
Go back to your bottle Glory.

Which is why I said his shot-selection and decision-making was terribly inconsistent... ... still got your head lodged firmly inside Kobe's keyster, eh?


Shill: "He was shooting 25 foot bombs and fade-aways with 3 defenders draped all over him"

Common sense: "Then why was he chuckin' twice as many shots as the next guy?"

i just proved he was only truly inconsistent/bad for 2.75 quarters of a 7 game series and you conveniently ignored my post. i also showed 2 of jordans finals series are actually ranked lower than kobes 2010 series in terms of efficiency and you also ignored that

Kobe "missed" more shots than the next closest Lakers player even attempted, on horrible shooting Efficiency that (I just reminded you) would have meant a series loss for the Lakers if not for Pau Gasol's Offensive Rebounding giving the Lakers 5 extra possessions (on average) per game that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

Kobe also had more than twice as many Turnovers as any other Lakers player... on average he gave Boston 4 extra possessions a game (vs. just two a game from Gasol).

You didn't prove anything. Kobe was very inconsistent in that series (Game 1 solid, Games 2 and 3 blah, Games 4 - 6 he was good to great, Game 7 blah)... and there was nothing he did "better" than Gasol.

[Shill Jackson]

shaq drew all the defensive attention in the 2001 playoffs and kobe led the lakers in overall playoff win shares


are you gonna try and tell people a 22 year old kobe was more important to the 2001 lakers than peak shaq?


even i know kobe didn't truly become a more important player to the lakers till 2003



what tdk is suffering from is lebron fans disease. its where you just look at some box scores and try to speak on something you know nothing about

Kobe was a more important player in 2000

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[kennethgriffin24]

Which is why I said his shot-selection and decision-making was terribly inconsistent... ... still got your head lodged firmly inside Kobe's keyster, eh?


Shill: "He was shooting 25 foot bombs and fade-aways with 3 defenders draped all over him"

Common sense: "Then why was he chuckin' twice as many shots as the next guy?"

i just proved he was only truly inconsistent/bad for 2.75 quarters of a 7 game series and you conveniently ignored my post. i also showed 2 of jordans finals series are actually ranked lower than kobes 2010 series in terms of efficiency and you also ignored that

Kobe "missed" more shots than the next closest Lakers player even attempted, on horrible shooting Efficiency that (I just reminded you) would have meant a series loss for the Lakers if not for Pau Gasol's Offensive Rebounding giving the Lakers 5 extra possessions (on average) per game that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

Kobe also had more than twice as many Turnovers as any other Lakers player... on average he gave Boston 4 extra possessions a game (vs. just two a game from Gasol).

You didn't prove anything. Kobe was very inconsistent in that series (Game 1 solid, Games 2 and 3 blah, Games 4 - 6 he was good to great, Game 7 blah)... and there was nothing he did "better" than Gasol.

the guy with the ball in his hands most of the time averaging 30 has lots of misses and turnovers.


next



30/7/4/2 and 1.27 points per shot through the first 6 games ... one of the greatest averages in finals history. 2.75 quarters of game 7 messed with it. kobe had a hand in nearly every bucket and free throw over the last 15 minutes. rondo said kobe won them the title. you lose

move on