Robceltsfan wrote:
For an exhibition it's fine....I just hope they never change it for real games. The thought of eliminating buzzer beaters is crazy...
You essentially still have buzzer beaters though, even if it’s not actually the clock you’re beating. There will be a walk off shot every game.
Yeah, but in the flow of the game....not a must-throw-up-a-shot-in-2.4-seconds kinda feeling. It's not the same. There's a ton of icon moments we'd be missing without buzzer beaters.
True, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I think you actually make the end of the game more exciting and create the opportunity for more iconic moments to be realized.
You essentially still have buzzer beaters though, even if it’s not actually the clock you’re beating. There will be a walk off shot every game.
Yeah, but in the flow of the game....not a must-throw-up-a-shot-in-2.4-seconds kinda feeling. It's not the same. There's a ton of icon moments we'd be missing without buzzer beaters.
True, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I think you actually make the end of the game more exciting and create the opportunity for more iconic moments to be realized.
Imagine if Harden's three had counted or more importantly, if Lebron had hit that 40 footer to win the game? How iconic would those shots be if they happened in real games that had meaning?
The cool thing with Elam Endings is that every game essentially ends with a buzzer beater instead of just running the clock out.
Robceltsfan wrote:
Yeah, but in the flow of the game....not a must-throw-up-a-shot-in-2.4-seconds kinda feeling. It's not the same. There's a ton of icon moments we'd be missing without buzzer beaters.
True, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I think you actually make the end of the game more exciting and create the opportunity for more iconic moments to be realized.
Imagine if Harden's three had counted or more importantly, if Lebron had hit that 40 footer to win the game? How iconic would those shots be if they happened in real games that had meaning?
The cool thing with Elam Endings is that every game essentially ends with a buzzer beater instead of just running the clock out.
Exactly. And it absolutely eliminates the free throw fests at the end of games. No more hoping the opposing team misses free throws. Just play defense and stop the other team from scoring. So much more exciting. Like I said, I'd be for adopting this system league wide for all games.
True, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I think you actually make the end of the game more exciting and create the opportunity for more iconic moments to be realized.
Imagine if Harden's three had counted or more importantly, if Lebron had hit that 40 footer to win the game? How iconic would those shots be if they happened in real games that had meaning?
The cool thing with Elam Endings is that every game essentially ends with a buzzer beater instead of just running the clock out.
Exactly. And it absolutely eliminates the free throw fests at the end of games. No more hoping the opposing team misses free throws. Just play defense and stop the other team from scoring. So much more exciting. Like I said, I'd be for adopting this system league wide for all games.
It could also help blow out games to end quickly instead of dragging it out and throwing the deep bench players out there for 5 minutes. That could be seen as a negative I guess but I think I prefer it.
Robceltsfan wrote:No more overtimes. No more buzzer beaters.
Meh....I guess I'm too traditionalist.
Plus, if both teams go cold, you could end up playing a 16 or 18 minute "4th quarter".
Look how intense the end of the freakin All Star game got. Now imagine it if that were the playoffs? It would get crazy.
I'm not ready for it league wide yet. I think it needs to be tested much more to pull out the negatives but it has a ton of potential.
Imagine if you're down 20 heading into the 4th. Normally, a team would just throw in the towel at some point and the offense would just try to drag out the game till the clock ran out. With the Elam Ending, that team that is down 20 has a chance.
Robceltsfan wrote:No more overtimes. No more buzzer beaters.
Meh....I guess I'm too traditionalist.
Plus, if both teams go cold, you could end up playing a 16 or 18 minute "4th quarter".
Look how intense the end of the freakin All Star game got. Now imagine it if that were the playoffs? It would get crazy.
I'm not ready for it league wide yet. I think it needs to be tested much more to pull out the negatives but it has a ton of potential.
Imagine if you're down 20 heading into the 4th. Normally, a team would just throw in the towel at some point and the offense would just try to drag out the game till the clock ran out. With the Elam Ending, that team that is down 20 has a chance.
I don't necessarily want that. I don't want to see a team get shit on for 36 minutes only to "always have a chance" in a never-ending 4th quarter.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Robceltsfan wrote:No more overtimes. No more buzzer beaters.
Meh....I guess I'm too traditionalist.
Plus, if both teams go cold, you could end up playing a 16 or 18 minute "4th quarter".
Look how intense the end of the freakin All Star game got. Now imagine it if that were the playoffs? It would get crazy.
I'm not ready for it league wide yet. I think it needs to be tested much more to pull out the negatives but it has a ton of potential.
Imagine if you're down 20 heading into the 4th. Normally, a team would just throw in the towel at some point and the offense would just try to drag out the game till the clock ran out. With the Elam Ending, that team that is down 20 has a chance.
I don't necessarily want that. I don't want to see a team get shit on for 36 minutes only to "always have a chance" in a never-ending 4th quarter.
Why are teams just going to forget how to score in the 4th quarter? It's not like they are going to be required to score 40 points. It'll probably be something like 20-25 points they'll have to score in the 4th. Teams don't typically have problems reaching that number.
Kingcarl24 wrote:
Look how intense the end of the freakin All Star game got. Now imagine it if that were the playoffs? It would get crazy.
I'm not ready for it league wide yet. I think it needs to be tested much more to pull out the negatives but it has a ton of potential.
Imagine if you're down 20 heading into the 4th. Normally, a team would just throw in the towel at some point and the offense would just try to drag out the game till the clock ran out. With the Elam Ending, that team that is down 20 has a chance.
I don't necessarily want that. I don't want to see a team get shit on for 36 minutes only to "always have a chance" in a never-ending 4th quarter.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. If a team goes cold in the 4th....or their best player fouls out. And they lose a 20 point lead in an 18 minute 4th quarter.....I'm not really cool with that. It makes the first 3 quarters much more meaningless.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
I don't necessarily want that. I don't want to see a team get shit on for 36 minutes only to "always have a chance" in a never-ending 4th quarter.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. If a team goes cold in the 4th....or their best player fouls out. And they lose a 20 point lead in an 18 minute 4th quarter.....I'm not really cool with that. It makes the first 3 quarters much more meaningless.
That exact thing can happen in games today too?
I don't know anyone that likes watching games when team go into cruise control because they're blowing out another team. That's what's hard to understand.
I don't necessarily want that. I don't want to see a team get shit on for 36 minutes only to "always have a chance" in a never-ending 4th quarter.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. If a team goes cold in the 4th....or their best player fouls out. And they lose a 20 point lead in an 18 minute 4th quarter.....I'm not really cool with that. It makes the first 3 quarters much more meaningless.
It's also possible they could blow a 20 point lead and the game go 3 overtimes. Both are outliers, and something you won't see too often. Like Carl said, you test it more to work out the kinks and expose the weaknesses, but I doubt that quarters will go 18 minutes too often. Probably about as often as we see a multiple OT game.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. If a team goes cold in the 4th....or their best player fouls out. And they lose a 20 point lead in an 18 minute 4th quarter.....I'm not really cool with that. It makes the first 3 quarters much more meaningless.
That exact thing can happen in games today too?
I don't know anyone that likes watching games when team go into cruise control because they're blowing out another team. That's what's hard to understand.
They earned the right to put it in cruise control. The first 3 quarters actually did happen. Forcing a team that has clearly been better for 36 minutes to continue playing starters in order to hit some fictitious number is unnecessary.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
The appeal was simple to Elam. He loves basketball, and he would like to see more of it. The start-and-stop hacking at the end of close games isn't basketball. A trailing team could never use that strategy under Elam's system; they would be giving away points to a rival that needed only seven to win. They would have to play real two-way basketball, and play it really, really well over a condensed period. Most games would end in baskets -- exciting!
He chose seven points because it amounts to about 1/16th of a typical team's per-game scoring output, just as three minutes amounts to 1/16th of an NBA game. He tinkered with more mathematically complex methods of calculating the target score, even some that would vary from game to game, but ultimately found that basic worked better. (This is not dissimilar from how Danny Biasone chose the length of the 24-second clock.)
The foul-out problem is a big issue in it as well.
But we're arguing in circles now. I'd be shocked to see it implemented in any way even in the preseason. I personally don't like it, but to each their own.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Robceltsfan wrote:
I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. If a team goes cold in the 4th....or their best player fouls out. And they lose a 20 point lead in an 18 minute 4th quarter.....I'm not really cool with that. It makes the first 3 quarters much more meaningless.
That exact thing can happen in games today too?
I don't know anyone that likes watching games when team go into cruise control because they're blowing out another team. That's what's hard to understand.
They earned the right to put it in cruise control. The first 3 quarters actually did happen. Forcing a team that has clearly been better for 36 minutes to continue playing starters in order to hit some fictitious number is unnecessary.
How is it any different from a team blowing a 20 point 4th quarter lead now? I don't really follow.
Kingcarl24 wrote:
That exact thing can happen in games today too?
I don't know anyone that likes watching games when team go into cruise control because they're blowing out another team. That's what's hard to understand.
They earned the right to put it in cruise control. The first 3 quarters actually did happen. Forcing a team that has clearly been better for 36 minutes to continue playing starters in order to hit some fictitious number is unnecessary.
How is it any different from a team blowing a 20 point 4th quarter lead now? I don't really follow.
The clock is a factor in team's blowing 20 point leads. It's hard to be outscored by 20 in a 12-minute period.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Robceltsfan wrote:The foul-out problem is a big issue in it as well.
But we're arguing in circles now. I'd be shocked to see it implemented in any way even in the preseason. I personally don't like it, but to each their own.
