UFC 244 (Diaz vs. Masvidal)

[Bush4Ever.]

This is a sneaky good main card, despite not having major superstars (by performance) on it. Pretty much every fight on the card is close to a 50/50 fight,

Diaz/Masvidal: I have a hard time seeing how this fight could possibly be boring, since these are two (primarily) strikers who put on a good pace and are generally forward-moving. Masvidal is a more comprehensive striker than Diaz, but Diaz is probably going to fare better against the cage/in the clinch with dirty boxing (an underrated skill of his). Diaz also has better BJJ, but I don't think he quite has the wrestling to reliably take Masvidal down. It might happen once or something like that, but I'd be surprised if it repeated itself multiple times over.

Pick: Masvidal by close and heavily contested UD

Other picks and notes:

Till over Gastelum in a controversial UD (or SD)...very close fight. Gas has better hands, but Till is better at kicking range is probably a more complete striker. Gas is a better grappler, but I'm not sure it will matter tons in this fight. A big key is who can control the distance. If Till can keep it at kicking range, he wins. Punch range...Gas probably wins. Clinch/ground Gas probably wins as well. I think it will be a mix of the first two.

Thompson over Luque (straightforward UD). Nothing too complicated here. I expect Luque to start strong, but Wonderboy to eventually take over with precision striking and better footwork.

Lewis over Ivanov is going to definitely go the distance. I anticipate a real back-and-forth fight. Ivanov will land some takedowns and control. Lewis will hit some power punches, but Ivanov is crazy tough. My official prediction is Lewis by SD.

Kevin Lee over Gregor: Most likely by head kick after a few jab exchanges. Gregor will likely not get a chance to shoot.

[LNS]

Wanna make another avy bet on the Masvidal vs Diaz fight, @Bush4ever.? I think Diaz wins a close UD due to his work rate.

One week straight up?

[Bush4Ever.]

No, it's too close to take a bet honestly.

If Diaz wins, he'll probably do it on the inside and indeed by drowning Masvidal a little bit in the championship rounds (although Mas has never really had cardio problems per see...Diaz is probably a step better). Honestly, I kinda-sorta want to flip my pick back to Diaz.

It's just a hard one to predict and forecast, IMO. A super close Diaz win and a super close Masvidal win are actually close together in real terms. The only outcome that would really surprise me would be a domination either way or a finish (both are brutally hard to finish--Mas is definitely more likely to hit power punches).

Edit: I took a look at the books, and Masvidal is actually a slight favorite. That's interesting.

[PhutureDynasty]

Wanna make another avy bet on the Masvidal vs Diaz fight, @Bush4ever.? I think Diaz wins a close UD due to his work rate.

One week straight up?

I'll take it for shiggles and since Bush is a coward.

[vcsgrizzfan]

Bush is such a fag.

[LNS]

Wanna make another avy bet on the Masvidal vs Diaz fight, @Bush4ever.? I think Diaz wins a close UD due to his work rate.

One week straight up?

I'll take it for shiggles and since Bush is a coward.

Done!

[Bartman]

Wanna make another avy bet on the Masvidal vs Diaz fight, @Bush4ever.? I think Diaz wins a close UD due to his work rate.

One week straight up?

I'll take it for shiggles and since Bush is a coward.

Done!

It's easy for someone to take bets when they don't honor them.

[CleveTown™]

I see Diaz taking this fight.

[LNS]

I'll take it for shiggles and since Bush is a coward.

Done!

It's easy for someone to take bets when they don't honor them.

Have you ever gotten someone to avy bet you? Or does no one here give a fuck enough to even bother?

[Bush4Ever.]

I'm happy to admit I don't have a sense of the fight.

I like both of them (Diaz is the origin of my Sherdog handle actually), so it's one of those "I'm rooting for a good fight" fights.

Maybe thinking it through I'll root for Masvidal since Nate has already gotten his big paydays with the Conor fights and title shots at LW, and a win probably locks in an earned title shot (likely) or a big money fight with Conor at 155 (less likely but intriguing).

[Bartman]

Done!

It's easy for someone to take bets when they don't honor them.

Have you ever gotten someone to avy bet you? Or does no one here give a fuck enough to even bother?

Is this your way of avoiding being labeled a welcher? Weak effort, fag.

[LNS]

It's easy for someone to take bets when they don't honor them.

Have you ever gotten someone to avy bet you? Or does no one here give a fuck enough to even bother?

Is this your way of avoiding being labeled a welcher? Weak effort, fag.

I loved bullying and humiliating Riley over that bet.

And no one really cares because he’s such a cry baby.

But I’m glad you’re taking up for him.

[Bartman]

I'm happy to admit I don't have a sense of the fight.

I like both of them (Diaz is the origin of my Sherdog handle actually), so it's one of those "I'm rooting for a good fight" fights.

Maybe thinking it through I'll root for Masvidal since Nate has already gotten his big paydays with the Conor fights and title shots at LW, and a win probably locks in an earned title shot (likely) or a big money fight with Conor at 155 (less likely but intriguing).

Masvidal is a punk, I hope Diaz smashes his face in.

[Bush4Ever.]

Masvidal is a punk, I hope Diaz smashes his face in.

[Bush4Ever.]

Benson Henderson (who fought both of them) says this about the main event:

“I gave the fight edge to Jorge, but that being said, now I’ve had time to think about it and actually process it, I think that matchup-wise, I think it’s a good matchup for Nate’s style,” he told MMA Junkie.

“I think Jorge is not going to move as much as he should – he’s just gonna stand there. For Nate to do well, he needs his opponent to just stand there in front of him and let him throw lots of punches. He does well when his punch count is really high. But if you’re not there and he can’t punch at you, his punch count goes down.”

“I think Jorge will actually kinda stand there more for him because they both like to bang, they’re both gonna throw down – it’s gonna be a crazy fight,” he said. “It’s gonna be a great fight to watch. And if they stand there, I think Nate could do a little bit of a better job. But if Jorge uses his fight IQ, I think he won’t be there.

“He has the skill set – he can do it. But the question is, will he do it? Or will he be like, ‘I’m the baddest mother(expletive). We’re gonna stand here, and we’re gonna throw down.’ They could easily do that. If they do that, I’ll go with Nate. If Jorge uses his fight IQ, he has the skill set to beat Nate if he chooses to do so.”

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[LNS]

Benson Henderson (who fought both of them) says this about the main event:

“I gave the fight edge to Jorge, but that being said, now I’ve had time to think about it and actually process it, I think that matchup-wise, I think it’s a good matchup for Nate’s style,” he told MMA Junkie.

“I think Jorge is not going to move as much as he should – he’s just gonna stand there. For Nate to do well, he needs his opponent to just stand there in front of him and let him throw lots of punches. He does well when his punch count is really high. But if you’re not there and he can’t punch at you, his punch count goes down.”

“I think Jorge will actually kinda stand there more for him because they both like to bang, they’re both gonna throw down – it’s gonna be a crazy fight,” he said. “It’s gonna be a great fight to watch. And if they stand there, I think Nate could do a little bit of a better job. But if Jorge uses his fight IQ, I think he won’t be there.

“He has the skill set – he can do it. But the question is, will he do it? Or will he be like, ‘I’m the baddest mother(expletive). We’re gonna stand here, and we’re gonna throw down.’ They could easily do that. If they do that, I’ll go with Nate. If Jorge uses his fight IQ, he has the skill set to beat Nate if he chooses to do so.”

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Too late, Bush. Phuture cowboy’d up and took the bet in your place.

[Bush4Ever.]

Too late, Bush. Phuture cowboy’d up and took the bet in your place.

What the hell are you babbling about?

I posted that because it's an interesting analysis from someone who has fought both of them (and more or less agrees with my thoughts I previously posted, although I have a bit more faith than he seems to have in Masvidal utilizing all his abilities and not just dick-waving himself into a brawl).

[LNS]

Too late, Bush. Phuture cowboy’d up and took the bet in your place.

What the hell are you babbling about?

I posted that because it's an interesting analysis from someone who has fought both of them.

Beg me.

[Bush4Ever.]

Beg me.

Put down the tequila.

[Bartman]

Benson Henderson (who fought both of them) says this about the main event:

“I gave the fight edge to Jorge, but that being said, now I’ve had time to think about it and actually process it, I think that matchup-wise, I think it’s a good matchup for Nate’s style,” he told MMA Junkie.

“I think Jorge is not going to move as much as he should – he’s just gonna stand there. For Nate to do well, he needs his opponent to just stand there in front of him and let him throw lots of punches. He does well when his punch count is really high. But if you’re not there and he can’t punch at you, his punch count goes down.”

“I think Jorge will actually kinda stand there more for him because they both like to bang, they’re both gonna throw down – it’s gonna be a crazy fight,” he said. “It’s gonna be a great fight to watch. And if they stand there, I think Nate could do a little bit of a better job. But if Jorge uses his fight IQ, I think he won’t be there.

“He has the skill set – he can do it. But the question is, will he do it? Or will he be like, ‘I’m the baddest mother(expletive). We’re gonna stand here, and we’re gonna throw down.’ They could easily do that. If they do that, I’ll go with Nate. If Jorge uses his fight IQ, he has the skill set to beat Nate if he chooses to do so.”

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Too late, Bush. Phuture cowboy’d up and took the bet in your place.

Your reputation as a welcher made Bush reluctant to bet with you.......LMAO