Honestly Artman, how is this normal

[elartman1973]

Why do people not understand you can acknowledge someone's right to X, but champion the idea they don't do X because of basic human decency, social norms, etc...?


It's very simple.

dumbthey weren't having sex or fondling each other in public..nothing else they were doing was a big deal...you all are just making it a big deal rather than move on and look the other way...you are the problems here..not them

[elartman1973]

Then avoid the village altogether....
Its part of life and part of the fabric of America..like it or not...
Better to be educated about it than to play dumb...Americans have been playing dumb for far too long...that's where racism and judgement and hate come from...LACK OF EDUCATION AND IGNORANCE...

Gay men in chaps and human pets crawling around the city isn't what made America great.

The freedom to express themselves is what makes America great....got to take the good with the bad and realize you won't always agree with everything....
You are expressing your discontent right now...I'm sure those guys wouldn't be happy about that...works both ways

[LNS]

Then avoid the village altogether....
Its part of life and part of the fabric of America..like it or not...
Better to be educated about it than to play dumb...Americans have been playing dumb for far too long...that's where racism and judgement and hate come from...LACK OF EDUCATION AND IGNORANCE...

Uhhh.... what precisely do you think they were showcasing, fella?

Smh...you can't be that dumb

Nice deflection.

[Sudanese Sensation]

I believe the outfits you find objectionable and I find laughable are mostly for private use.

It's not so much the material per se, but the spirit and idea behind it.

A man should not be on all fours pretending to be an animal, and linking sex to that idea.

I'm going to hold firm on that belief.

I agree but I don't think there should be a law against it. Same goes for infantalism which is arguably weirder.

[elartman1973]

Maybe we agree. There is a lot of behavior I find offensive. My tastes, predilections, inclinations are rather vanilla. I prefer persuasion rather than enlisting the heavy hand of the state to stop it.

I don't want Trump to thump their skulls over their illness. Of course.

I'm probably more anti-state than anyone on this board.

But the same rights damn better be extended to me by others.

In NYC, simply wearing a MAGA hat is risking imprisonment, assault/battery, and extreme verbal harassment and mockery.

What's good for the goose...

Same misconception...a red maga hat symbolises racism...deport all illegals..desperate children from their late teens and all the negatives involved...whether true or not...same way you are.confining men in leather as blatant homosexuals gay sex and disease carriers and degenerates even though nothing they are doing or wearing really represents that...its basically all in your mind and presumtious

[Bush4Ever35]

dumbthey weren't having sex or fondling each other in public..nothing else they were doing was a big deal...you all are just making it a big deal rather than move on and look the other way...you are the problems here..not them

Things can be *sexual* without engaging in the *act of* sex.

You get triggered more by a MAGA hat than you do by things like the OP.

Very revealing.

[Sudanese Sensation]

dumbthey weren't having sex or fondling each other in public..nothing else they were doing was a big deal...you all are just making it a big deal rather than move on and look the other way...you are the problems here..not them

Things can be *sexual* without engaging in the *act of* sex.

You get triggered more by a MAGA hat than you do by things like the OP.

Very revealing.

Would you opinion change if the leather clad gentlemen being led around on a leash were wearing MAGA hats ?

[elartman1973]

dumbthey weren't having sex or fondling each other in public..nothing else they were doing was a big deal...you all are just making it a big deal rather than move on and look the other way...you are the problems here..not them

Things can be *sexual* without engaging in the *act of* sex.

You get triggered more by a MAGA hat than you do by things like the OP.

Very revealing.

Revealing of what?
Trying to claim I'm gay because I don't bash gays?

Sounds like claiming I support Hillary because I don't support trump...
Get your mind straightened out and stop being so naive to the world around you...there's gay people..they aren't gonna hide ..they aren't going to feel ashamed of themselves and shouldn't be...just accept them and accept that you don't understand rather than just judge and make assumptions...
In other words..grow up

[Bush4Ever35]

Would you opinion change if the leather clad gentlemen being led around on a leash were wearing MAGA hats ?

No, my opinion of good and correct behavior wouldn't change.

Plenty of Trump supporters engage in bad behavior. *I've* engaged in bad behaviors.

Even Trump himself has arguably done one or two things wrong in his life.

[Bush4Ever35]

Revealing of what?

Revealing that your energy and spirit is corrupted in a pretty serious way.

[LNS]

Arty you keep claiming that we’re putting a perverse spin on the actions in that photo. So explain what they’re up to, please.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Interesting thread.

I thought all those claims that Artism was gay were just flimsy lazy insults.

Today I learned that he really is a gay man from Orlando. It doesn't make me like him any less than I already did... but it explains a lot about him.

[elartman1973]

Interesting thread.

I thought all those claims that Artism was gay were just flimsy lazy insults.

Today I learned that he really is a gay man from Orlando. It doesn't make me like him any less than I already did... but it explains a lot about him.

You're boring

[elartman1973]

Revealing of what?

Revealing that your energy and spirit is corrupted in a pretty serious way.

Nope...its uncorrupted actually...
I know what's up and what I see...but unlike you I know what I dont see...difference is I don't sit around trying to fill in the blanks....I move on...let them be

[elartman1973]

Arty you keep claiming that we’re putting a perverse spin on the actions in that photo. So explain what they’re up to, please.

Pretty self explanatory...take it at face value...guys dressed in leather..one pretending to be a pet...that's it...nothing more needs to be made of it...that's my point...
But you all are desperately trying to claim shit that isn't there and is t happening in the pic....making you judgemental and presumptuous...whether right or wrong...you are

[LNS]

Arty you keep claiming that we’re putting a perverse spin on the actions in that photo. So explain what they’re up to, please.

Pretty self explanatory...take it at face value...guys dressed in leather..one pretending to be a pet...that's it...nothing more needs to be made of it...that's my point...
But you all are desperately trying to claim shit that isn't there and is t happening in the pic....making you judgemental and presumptuous...whether right or wrong...you are

Lol okay kid

You’re damaged goods.

[Bush4Ever35]

I know what's up and what I see...but unlike you I know what I dont see...difference is I don't sit around trying to fill in the blanks....I move on...let them be

I know that I'm seeing grown men act like base animals in public, and not seeming to care that children are around.

There isn't a "hidden, mystical, and unseen" element in play here.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I know what's up and what I see...but unlike you I know what I dont see...difference is I don't sit around trying to fill in the blanks....I move on...let them be

I know that I'm seeing grown men act like base animals in public, and not seeming to care that children are around.

There isn't a "hidden, mystical, and unseen" element in play here.

YES! We're set to get some more of those tremendous parenting tips from Artism... since he's all into "father hood" and all.

[elartman1973]

I know what's up and what I see...but unlike you I know what I dont see...difference is I don't sit around trying to fill in the blanks....I move on...let them be

I know that I'm seeing grown men act like base animals in public, and not seeming to care that children are around.

There isn't a "hidden, mystical, and unseen" element in play here.

LIESSO YOU ARE CLAIMING THEY ARE SOMETHING BASED ON YOUR OPINION AND NOTHING ELSE....AS USUAL

[Bush4Ever35]

LIESSO YOU ARE CLAIMING THEY ARE SOMETHING BASED ON YOUR OPINION AND NOTHING ELSE....AS USUAL

They are actually men.
Actually dressed in leather.
Actually on all fours pretending to be an animal.
Actually being leashed.
All while directly in the presence of children.

None of those points are in dispute, Artie.