Robceltsfan wrote:
Did I not say I empathize with the children? What am I missing here?
That your situation "working yer way up the ladder" as a person born in America is hilariously different to the situation illegals generally face before coming into the country.
It's woefully, woefully myopic.
I'm sorry to have to tell you that.
I don't care if you feel it's myopic or not.
The analogy works. There are legal, more difficult ways to succeed....and illegal, quicker ways to succeed.
Every illegal immigrant knows the laws, knows the risks, weighs those options, and then seem to be upset and surprised when they are held to the standards of the law.
That's disingenuous at best....downright moronic at worst.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Do you not get that it's possible to be against immigration (legal or illegal), and also have some sympathy for how difficult life can be in some of these countries for regular people?
Make no mistake about it...for all your tough-talking and rough-riding, if you were born into a situation like many of these people, and you had a free shot at escaping (and helping your family escape) crushing economic conditions, political instability, ultra-violence, etc...by hopping a fence...you would absolutely 100 percent take it.
Do you not get that it's possible to be against immigration (legal or illegal), and also have some sympathy for how difficult life can be in some of these countries for regular people?
Make no mistake about it...for all your tough-talking and rough-riding, if you were born into a situation like many of these people, and you had a free shot at escaping (and helping your family escape) crushing economic conditions, political instability, ultra-violence, etc...by hopping a fence...you would absolutely 100 percent take it.
I'm really sorry to have to tell you that.
Still don't know if Rob's complete lack of a world outside his bubble is an act or not.
Part of me hopes it is... for the online LULZ.
Part of me hopes it isn't... for the real-life LULZ.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Still don't know if Rob's complete lack of a world outside his bubble is an act or not.
Part of me hopes it is... for the online LULZ.
Part of me hopes it isn't... for the real-life LULZ.
In fairness to our friend Rob, he had to work a few long weekends in March, which is basically the same thing as having government-sponsored death squads patrolling your village, or having your tongue cut out for speaking against the political elites.
It's very easy to forget how incredibly fortunate most of us are to have been born in the circumstances we were born into. But for the grace of God (yeah I'm an atheist but you get my point), there go I.
Robceltsfan wrote:"We are enforcing the laws passed by Congress, and we are doing all that we can in the executive branch to protect our communities. It is now time that Congress act to fix our broken immigration system," Nielsen said. "Surely it is the beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the laws, rather than changing them, asks the body who enforces the laws not to enforce the laws. That cannot be the answer."
Attorney General Jeff Sessions, speaking at the same event as Nielsen, also defended the Trump administration's immigration practices Monday morning.
"These children are not entering at points of entry, but dangerous places," Sessions said. "They can go to our ports of entry if they want to claim asylum."
Sessions said the children "are taken care of," at an "enormous cost." Sessions called the system "generous." He also emphasized most children have come here unaccompanied and said the Department of Health and Human Services takes custody of them at a cost of more than $1 billion a year.
Not to mention, many of these "asylum seekers" are using children unrelated to them claiming they're the parent or guardian in hopes of winning sympathy/leniency from their captors. According to Nielsen, these fraudulent cases are up over 300% over the past 5 years.
These kids are being used the way they used kids from Sandy Hook and Parkland to sway fenceliners toward democratic causes. They ain't gon'play me Jif.
CleveTown™ wrote:No. This media outrage highlighting the breaking up of families and playing on the heart strings of the common Amerikan is strictly a political move by the heathen Left. And I'll treat it as such.
Im not buying it, they're still breaking the law, and they need to go back. most of these "kids" are crossing the border by themselves alone, so I don't want to hear it.
They all know the repercussions of border jumping. This is one of them. Learn next time, idiots.
Do you not get that it's possible to be against immigration (legal or illegal), and also have some sympathy for how difficult life can be in some of these countries for regular people?
Make no mistake about it...for all your tough-talking and rough-riding, if you were born into a situation like many of these people, and you had a free shot at escaping (and helping your family escape) crushing economic conditions, political instability, ultra-violence, etc...by hopping a fence...you would absolutely 100 percent take it.
I'm really sorry to have to tell you that.
Who said I didn't sympathize for how difficult their lives may be? That wasn't the topic in the OP. The topic was whether I empathize with families being separated at the border.
I empathize for the kids, as they are innocent parties in the situation. I do not empathize for the adults who are knowingly risking this outcome.
Do you not realize that I can empathize for one plight, while not empathizing for another?
I can empathize for a poor man struggling to make ends meet while busting his ass to get ahead.....while not empathizing with the same man who chose to rob a convenient store to get ahead.
See the difference?
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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Who said I didn't sympathize for how difficult their lives may be? That wasn't the topic in the OP. The topic was whether I empathize with families being separated at the border.
I empathize for the kids, as they are innocent parties in the situation. I do not empathize for the adults who are knowingly risking this outcome.
Yes, and that distinction in a number of common, real-world situations is relatively meaningless because of the stress and nature of the situation the adults find themselves in, usually through no fault of their own. The environmental constraints and burdens on regular people in some of these countries is extraordinarily intense compared to anything you'll see in the more developed and civilized world.
That's why even though I've been sprinkling some of these posts with lulzy troll spice, I really do think you are being a bit narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned.
Who said I didn't sympathize for how difficult their lives may be? That wasn't the topic in the OP. The topic was whether I empathize with families being separated at the border.
I empathize for the kids, as they are innocent parties in the situation. I do not empathize for the adults who are knowingly risking this outcome.
Yes, and that distinction in a number of common, real-world situations is relatively meaningless because of the stress and nature of the situation the adults find themselves in, usually through no fault of their own. The environmental constraints and burdens on regular people in some of these countries is extraordinarily intense compared to anything you'll see in the more developed and civilized world.
That's why even though I've been sprinkling some of these posts with lulzy troll spice, I really do think you are being a bit narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned.
Perhaps I do have some tunnel vision on this subject....and maybe I'm OK with that. Still doesn't mean I lack empathy for other people's plights. Simply that illegally immigrating shouldn't be the answer.
And I can admit that I don't know the answer either. It shouldn't be the responsibility of the US government and US citizens to supply a better opportunity to every single person on this Earth. That's neither feasible, nor fair.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Who said I didn't sympathize for how difficult their lives may be? That wasn't the topic in the OP. The topic was whether I empathize with families being separated at the border.
I empathize for the kids, as they are innocent parties in the situation. I do not empathize for the adults who are knowingly risking this outcome.
Yes, and that distinction in a number of common, real-world situations is relatively meaningless because of the stress and nature of the situation the adults find themselves in, usually through no fault of their own. The environmental constraints and burdens on regular people in some of these countries is extraordinarily intense compared to anything you'll see in the more developed and civilized world.
That's why even though I've been sprinkling some of these posts with lulzy troll spice, I really do think you are being a bit narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned.
Careful though.
Because if we're going to give leeway to people in third-world countries... we're only a few stone throws away from making claims that there are super poor people in this country, maybe even of other colors, that face a slightly more laborious path to success possibly filled with more roadblocks than the more privileged of our society.
LeBronMonsterDunk wrote:How many illegals are you allowing to live in your house Bush?
The question should be more do you kick both the parents and kids out the same door so they are together... OR... you kick the parents out the front door... And the kids out the back... So they are separated.
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What do we do with criminals that we send to prison that have children?
Send the kids too. They are more than likely gonna end up there anyway
Who said I didn't sympathize for how difficult their lives may be? That wasn't the topic in the OP. The topic was whether I empathize with families being separated at the border.
I empathize for the kids, as they are innocent parties in the situation. I do not empathize for the adults who are knowingly risking this outcome.
Yes, and that distinction in a number of common, real-world situations is relatively meaningless because of the stress and nature of the situation the adults find themselves in, usually through no fault of their own. The environmental constraints and burdens on regular people in some of these countries is extraordinarily intense compared to anything you'll see in the more developed and civilized world.
That's why even though I've been sprinkling some of these posts with lulzy troll spice, I really do think you are being a bit narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned.
Perhaps I do have some tunnel vision on this subject....and maybe I'm OK with that. Still doesn't mean I lack empathy for other people's plights. Simply that illegally immigrating shouldn't be the answer.
And I can admit that I don't know the answer either. It shouldn't be the responsibility of the US government and US citizens to supply a better opportunity to every single person on this Earth. That's neither feasible, nor fair.
I don't think anyone is saying that it is the US government's responsibility or that of its citizenry. In fact, I think Bush is very clearly anti-immigration.
It is an extremely complex subject with no easy answers which is partly why it's so sad in many ways. I think we all wish we could wave a magic wand and have a solution but it doesn't exist.
But it is pretty heart wrenching that people will take the risks they will take to try to escape the circumstances they were born into. Again, we have so, so much to be thankful for, simply because of where we were born.
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