Yo, Bush, thanks for referencing this site

[Sudanese Sensation]

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Interesting stuff.

[Bush4Ever35]

Welcome!

[Sudanese Sensation]

Welcome!

Shaq is definitely going to be in his top eight along with Russell and Kareem, and of course, LeBron.

Wilt, especially in his early career, approached basketball like it was baseball where your success is more independent of your teammate's success than football and basketball, and their successes too.

[Bush4Ever35]

Welcome!

Shaq is definitely going to be in his top eight along with Russell and Kareem, and of course, LeBron.

Wilt, especially in his early career, approached basketball like it was baseball where your success is more independent of your teammate's success than football and basketball, and their successes too.

IIRC, he's extremely-extremely high on KG and Hakeem, far past the point of where those guys are normally ranked by fans.

But yes, Wilt is a good example on the bad side of individual offense vs. global/team offense, where individual excellence doesn't really lead to a bettering of performance on the part of his teammates. Someone like Magic, Curry, or Bird would be on the happy side of that idea, where their individual offense was perhaps a touch more modest, but their game amplified the performance of their teammates much more than Wilt, leading to a better result on the team front.

[Sudanese Sensation]

Welcome!

Shaq is definitely going to be in his top eight along with Russell and Kareem, and of course, LeBron.

Wilt, especially in his early career, approached basketball like it was baseball where your success is more independent of your teammate's success than football and basketball, and their successes too.

IIRC, he's extremely-extremely high on KG and Hakeem, far past the point of where those guys are normally ranked by fans.

But yes, Wilt is a good example on the bad side of individual offense vs. global/team offense, where individual excellence doesn't really lead to a bettering of performance on the part of his teammates. Someone like Magic, Curry, or Bird would be on the happy side of that idea, where their individual offense was perhaps a touch more modest, but their game amplified the performance of their teammates much more than Wilt, leading to a better result on the team front.

I didn't notice that.

Shaq, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, KG, Jordan , Duncan, ???? = his top eight.

[Bush4Ever35]

I didn't notice that.

Shaq, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, KG, Jordan , Duncan, ???? = his top eight.

I would guess Hakeem for he 8th spot, knowing what I know.

I'm particularly interested in seeing how the 1-3 spots fall out. I know he's very big on longevity (relative to pure peak performance), and Jordan isn't amazingly strong on that front, so there might be a shakeup of sorts at the very top.

[Sudanese Sensation]

I didn't notice that.

Shaq, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, KG, Jordan , Duncan, ???? = his top eight.

I would guess Hakeem for he 8th spot, knowing what I know.

I'm particularly interested in seeing how the 1-3 spots fall out. I know he's very big on longevity (relative to pure peak performance), and Jordan isn't amazingly strong on that front, so there might be a shakeup of sorts at the very top.

Who fills the eight spots ? I came up with seven.

[Bush4Ever35]

I didn't notice that.

Shaq, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, KG, Jordan , Duncan, ???? = his top eight.

I would guess Hakeem for he 8th spot, knowing what I know.

I'm particularly interested in seeing how the 1-3 spots fall out. I know he's very big on longevity (relative to pure peak performance), and Jordan isn't amazingly strong on that front, so there might be a shakeup of sorts at the very top.

Who fills the eight spots ? I came up with seven.

The guys you listed plus Hakeem.

I just took another look at the list and forgot he had already done the 20s, so it has to be Hakeem plus the 7 you mentioned.

[Sudanese Sensation]

I would guess Hakeem for he 8th spot, knowing what I know.

I'm particularly interested in seeing how the 1-3 spots fall out. I know he's very big on longevity (relative to pure peak performance), and Jordan isn't amazingly strong on that front, so there might be a shakeup of sorts at the very top.

Who fills the eight spots ? I came up with seven.

The guys you listed plus Hakeem.

I just took another look at the list and forgot he had already done the 20s, so it has to be Hakeem plus the 7 you mentioned.

For a guy that can't dribble with his left hand Jerry West gets rated relatively high.

[Bush4Ever35]

For a guy that can't dribble with his left hand Jerry West gets rated relatively high.

This isn't really a list of who the best players would be if you time-machined everyone to a common era.

It ranks players on the basis of provided the largest increase in the odds of a team winning championships over the course of their careers.

IIRC, West gets a strong bump for being extremely efficient compared to the league at the time, raising his game in the playoffs (unlike most superstars), and stat-stuffing while having good portability.

[Sudanese Sensation]

For a guy that can't dribble with his left hand Jerry West gets rated relatively high.

This isn't really a list of who the best players would be if you time-machined everyone to a common era.

It ranks players on the basis of provided the largest increase in the odds of a team winning championships over the course of their careers.

IIRC, West gets a strong bump for being extremely efficient compared to the league at the time, raising his game in the playoffs (unlike most superstars), and stat-stuffing while having good portability.

I was being facetious about the dribbling and I have been informed by some of the loudest voices on this board that The Logo was a perennial big game loser, i.e. a choker.