TOP 5 MVP candidates

[Jims_Doors]

from 2003 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the nba

he was injured in 2004 and 2005 which kept him from producing like he should ... but all other years he was legit MVP of the league

6 mvps by my count


sure another team might have been better than the lakers... but that mvp criteria is bullshit


like i said.. if the players voted kobe wins a bunch of times

That's been the criteria waaaaaaaaaaay before Kobe came into the league.

if the first criteria of league mvp is based on the team... then its a team award


sometimes the regular season champion doesn't have a good enough rep ... so they give it to the 2nd or 3rd runner up?


so you're admitting its not a real award

No need for me to admit anything. One of the criteria's is to have the best record or close to it. What LeBron was able to do in 2009 reg season with no All-NBA or AS teammates is more impressive than what Kobe, Pau (who was an all-star and all-nba player that year) Odom and Bynum. Kobe had a lot more help than James did.....it' that simple.

[Kennethgriffin]

That's been the criteria waaaaaaaaaaay before Kobe came into the league.

if the first criteria of league mvp is based on the team... then its a team award


sometimes the regular season champion doesn't have a good enough rep ... so they give it to the 2nd or 3rd runner up?


so you're admitting its not a real award

No need for me to admit anything. One of the criteria's is to have the best record or close to it. What LeBron was able to do in 2009 reg season with no All-NBA or AS teammates is more impressive than what Kobe, Pau (who was an all-star and all-nba player that year) Odom and Bynum. Kobe had a lot more help than James did.....it' that simple.

so you admit its a bogus award



the best player isn't always on a top 1-2 seed


jordan had the 8th best record in 1988


he won it because the media overlooks their usual criteria if its a guy they like

[Jims_Doors]

what if

a) game 5 has the other teams finals mvp suspended

b) game 6 has the other teams season mvp foul out early

c) game 7 has one of kobes teammates hit a game winning three


all while one of kobes teammates outscores him during key moments

90% of those stats were either scored in losses or after the cavs were up 20


i proved it

accept it

[Kennethgriffin]

Congrats to griff on turning his 2016 MVP thread into another lebron/Kobe slap fest.

He just can't let go of Kobe.

actually you can blame jims doors for that

Since when did Griff monkey care about the MVP award? He's always said it's just a worthless media driven award.

Could it be that's because Kobe's only won 1 and that was basically given to him as a lifetime achievement award? Everyone one knows that CP3 should have won it that year it was gifted to Kobe.


No chance KD wins it while on the super team.
Not sure if Russ or Harden can get their teams enough wins.

Comes down to Kawhi or James with James winning it and even further distancing himself from Kobe on the all-time list

first mention of kobe in this thread








crucify this idiot for ruining the thread. and in turn causing me to ruin him

[Jims_Doors]

if the first criteria of league mvp is based on the team... then its a team award


sometimes the regular season champion doesn't have a good enough rep ... so they give it to the 2nd or 3rd runner up?


so you're admitting its not a real award

No need for me to admit anything. One of the criteria's is to have the best record or close to it. What LeBron was able to do in 2009 reg season with no All-NBA or AS teammates is more impressive than what Kobe, Pau (who was an all-star and all-nba player that year) Odom and Bynum. Kobe had a lot more help than James did.....it' that simple.

so you admit its a bogus award



the best player isn't always on a top 1-2 seed


jordan had the 8th best record in 1988


he won it because the media overlooks their usual criteria if its a guy they like

You're the only one who's said it's a media driven award, it doesn't count and have been saying it for years. The only reason you do so is cause Kobe only has won it 1X.

So why all of a sudden care about who wins it this year??

Were the same people that were voting in 1988 for Jordan, the same ones voting from 2003-2010 when you said Kobe should have won it every year??

[Jims_Doors]

Ruin me??





You're the one who started the thread, left LeBron off on purpose and was waiting for someone to bring him up or the chance for you to bring Kobe up.

[Kennethgriffin]

Ruin me??





You're the one who started the thread, left LeBron off on purpose and was waiting for someone to bring him up or the chance for you to bring Kobe up.

lebron is not having a better season than the 5 guys i mentioned ... and thats just the 5 guys with the minimum requirement of having a good record


hes also being outperformed by anthony davis and a few others

[Jims_Doors]

Ruin me??





You're the one who started the thread, left LeBron off on purpose and was waiting for someone to bring him up or the chance for you to bring Kobe up.

lebron is not having a better season than the 5 guys i mentioned ... and thats just the 5 guys with the minimum requirement of having a good record


hes also being outperformed by anthony davis and a few others

It's not even Dec. yet, bruh.


Anthony Davis gonna have the team record???



Time for me to go watch your 2016-17 MVP LeBron James play Philly and Embiid

[Kennethgriffin]

No need for me to admit anything. One of the criteria's is to have the best record or close to it. What LeBron was able to do in 2009 reg season with no All-NBA or AS teammates is more impressive than what Kobe, Pau (who was an all-star and all-nba player that year) Odom and Bynum. Kobe had a lot more help than James did.....it' that simple.

so you admit its a bogus award



the best player isn't always on a top 1-2 seed


jordan had the 8th best record in 1988


he won it because the media overlooks their usual criteria if its a guy they like

You're the only one who's said it's a media driven award, it doesn't count and have been saying it for years. The only reason you do so is cause Kobe only has won it 1X.

So why all of a sudden care about who wins it this year??

Were the same people that were voting in 1988 for Jordan, the same ones voting from 2003-2010 when you said Kobe should have won it every year??

this is a very big lebron forum ... go to insidehoops and you'l find half the people over there share the same thoughts i have



its obvious the medias agenda is what drives the award. which is why they make loop holes for guys they like


for jordan they overlooked record

for lebron they overlooked teammates

for nash they overlooked performance



while for kobe they said "not good enough a record in 2003, 2006, 2007"

"kobe had shaq"

"kobe didn't outperform so and so"


when in reality if kobe was simply given the benifit of the doubt like those other guys. he'd have more than one award


the media can disqualify anyone at any given moment based on whatever agenda theyre focusing on that year.


they could have made an agenda for shaq or kobe in 2001...

they could have made an agenda for shaq or kidd in 2002

they could have made an agenda for kobe in 2003

they could have made an agenda for shaq in 2005

they could have made an agenda for kobe in 2006

they could have made an agenda for kobe or nash in 2007

they could have made an agenda for kobe or wade in 2009

they could have made an agenda for kobe or dwight in 2010




but they wanted their other guy to get it .... the media can make a case for 2-3 guys every year... theres rarely ever a run away league mvp

[elmouse03]

Ruin me??





You're the one who started the thread, left LeBron off on purpose and was waiting for someone to bring him up or the chance for you to bring Kobe up.

lebron is not having a better season than the 5 guys i mentioned ... and thats just the 5 guys with the minimum requirement of having a good record


hes also being outperformed by anthony davis and a few others

It's not even Dec. yet, bruh.


Anthony Davis gonna have the team record???



Time for me to go watch your 2016-17 MVP LeBron James play Philly and Embiid

Speaking of Embiid. I think he needs to be included.

[Kennethgriffin]

if embiid played 36 minutes a game... he'd also be ahead of lebron

[elmouse03]

if embiid played 36 minutes a game... he'd also be ahead of lebron

racist

[Kennethgriffin]

Ruin me??





You're the one who started the thread, left LeBron off on purpose and was waiting for someone to bring him up or the chance for you to bring Kobe up.

lebron is not having a better season than the 5 guys i mentioned ... and thats just the 5 guys with the minimum requirement of having a good record


hes also being outperformed by anthony davis and a few others

It's not even Dec. yet, bruh.


Anthony Davis gonna have the team record???



Time for me to go watch your 2016-17 MVP LeBron James play Philly and Embiid

so you think lebron is outperforming

31ppg, 11rpg, 3blocks, 52%fgs

[Kennethgriffin]

lebron winning mvp this year would be like kobe winning it in 2011


oh hes reigning finals mvp.. who cares if hes having a down year and not playing defense anymore


GIVE EM ANOTHER ONE!

[Titan18]

Lebrons "down year" is better than most of Kobes career. Kobe arguably had only one year better than Lebrons current year.


Lebrons 26.7 PER would be the 2nd best in Kobes career
Lebrons .589 TS% would be the best in Kobe's career
Lebrons 119 offensive rating would be the best in Kobes career
Lebrons 104 defensive rating would be 5th best in Kobe's career

[zombiesonics]

Lebrons "down year" is better than most of Kobes career. Kobe arguably had only one year better than Lebrons current year.


Lebrons 26.7 PER would be the 2nd best in Kobes career
Lebrons .589 TS% would be the best in Kobe's career
Lebrons 119 offensive rating would be the best in Kobes career
Lebrons 104 defensive rating would be 5th best in Kobe's career

[Kennethgriffin]

Lebrons "down year" is better than most of Kobes career. Kobe arguably had only one year better than Lebrons current year.


Lebrons 26.7 PER would be the 2nd best in Kobes career
Lebrons .589 TS% would be the best in Kobe's career
Lebrons 119 offensive rating would be the best in Kobes career
Lebrons 104 defensive rating would be 5th best in Kobe's career

i don't care about advanced stat padding analytics


when i see a guy drop more 50 point games in one season (2006-07) than the other guy has in his entire career..(2003-04 to 2016-17) i see beyond a rebound extra or assist extra per game from dominating the ball 99% of the game or scoring an extra 4% out of 100 shots because he drives the ball more


fuck outa here


watch the games


when kobe dominates the ball like lebron he does shit nobody other than wilt chamberlain could even think of doing

[elmouse03]

Lebrons "down year" is better than most of Kobes career. Kobe arguably had only one year better than Lebrons current year.


Lebrons 26.7 PER would be the 2nd best in Kobes career
Lebrons .589 TS% would be the best in Kobe's career
Lebrons 119 offensive rating would be the best in Kobes career
Lebrons 104 defensive rating would be 5th best in Kobe's career

i don't care about advanced stat padding analytics


when i see a guy drop more 50 point games in one season (2006-07) than the other guy has in his entire career..(2003-04 to 2016-17) i see beyond a rebound extra or assist extra per game from dominating the ball 99% of the game or scoring an extra 4% out of 100 shots because he drives the ball more


fuck outa here


watch the games

So you only care about scoring?

[Kennethgriffin]

Lebrons "down year" is better than most of Kobes career. Kobe arguably had only one year better than Lebrons current year.


Lebrons 26.7 PER would be the 2nd best in Kobes career
Lebrons .589 TS% would be the best in Kobe's career
Lebrons 119 offensive rating would be the best in Kobes career
Lebrons 104 defensive rating would be 5th best in Kobe's career

i don't care about advanced stat padding analytics


when i see a guy drop more 50 point games in one season (2006-07) than the other guy has in his entire career..(2003-04 to 2016-17) i see beyond a rebound extra or assist extra per game from dominating the ball 99% of the game or scoring an extra 4% out of 100 shots because he drives the ball more


fuck outa here


watch the games

So you only care about scoring?

scoring and defense


at kobes best hes a better scorer and on ball defender



and kobe pound for pound is a better rebounder too ... lebrons 7rpg average is well below what it should be



lebron can have the passing debate.. thats all i see he does better than kobe

[Kennethgriffin]

all i'm gonna say is this... ask anyone this question


your life depends on 1 game ... you have to bet on the winner.

both squads are exactly the same except prime kobes on one team and prime lebrons on the other

and they have to go at each other for every point they get



i'd bet on the team with kobe

and i'd bet on kobe in a 1 on 1




and i know lebrons teams have won more games individually. but during actual 1 on 1 matchups kobes gotten the best of james


and the defensive intensity kobe has on lebron is on another level..