TOP 5 MVP candidates

[Jims_Doors]

Griff still clinging onto the idea that Kobe >>>> Lebron. If you just look at the way he dresses, poor Griff just has no idea how to evolve.

Griff is gonna make one of his super long posts if you don't watch it.

kobe should be a 6 time mvp

lebron should be a 0 time mvp


running away in the leastern conference on bullshit teams with rigged colluded teammates shouldn't win anyone any kind of regular season award


and prime kobe in the west taking his team to basically the exact same record as lebron is also worth allot more than it got credit for

[Jims_Doors]

real mvps of the league

1999 - shaq
2000 - shaq
2001 - shaq
2002 - shaq
2003 - kobe
2004 - garnett
2005 - shaq
2006 - kobe
2007 - kobe
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - KD
2012 - KD
2013 - kobe
2014 - KD
2015 - Harden
2016 - curry

you know the criteria, Dudley.....gotta have the team record, LA didn't

Well Kobe did win in 08.

That was a lifetime achievement MVP thy gave him cause the league knew his time was winding down while LeBron's was soon to break out in a huge way.

CP3 clearly deserved the 08 MVP.

[elmerjfudd]

you know the criteria, Dudley.....gotta have the team record, LA didn't

Well Kobe did win in 08.

That was a lifetime achievement MVP thy gave him cause the league knew his time was winding down while LeBron's was soon to break out in a huge way.

CP3 clearly deserved the 08 MVP.

[Jims_Doors]

if the players voted for mvp like they did with kareem... even lebron would have voted for kobe

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2009 = lebron wins mvp... says kobes the best ... LOOL

James had a better year, with a better team record and it was accomplished with no all-stars on his team.

[elmouse03]

if the players voted for mvp like they did with kareem... even lebron would have voted for kobe

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2009 = lebron wins mvp... says kobes the best ... LOOL

James had a better year, with a better team record and it was accomplished with no all-stars on his team.

Wasn't Mo Williams an all star that year? What about big Z?

[Kennethgriffin]

from 2003 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the nba

he was injured in 2004 and 2005 which kept him from producing like he should ... but all other years he was legit MVP of the league

6 mvps by my count


sure another team might have been better than the lakers... but that mvp criteria is bullshit


like i said.. if the players voted kobe wins a bunch of times

[rileymartin]

from 2003 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the nba

he was injured in 2004 and 2005 which kept him from producing like he should ... but all other years he was legit MVP of the league

6 mvps by my count


sure another team might have been better than the lakers... but that mvp criteria is bullshit


like i said.. if the players voted kobe wins a bunch of times

Nobody cares

[elmouse03]

Kobe would have never been able to come back from 3-1 vs a 73 win team doe.

[Jims_Doors]

if the players voted for mvp like they did with kareem... even lebron would have voted for kobe

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2009 = lebron wins mvp... says kobes the best ... LOOL

James had a better year, with a better team record and it was accomplished with no all-stars on his team.

Wasn't Mo Williams an all star that year? What about big Z?

Big Z's last AS game was in 2005

This is how Mo got in

"Twice snubbed, the Cleveland Cavaliers point guard was added to the roster Tuesday by NBA commissioner David Stern as a replacement for injured Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh.

Williams wasn't voted in by the fans, nor was he chosen by Eastern Conference head coaches as a reserve. Then he was passed over by Stern in favor of Boston's Ray Allen, who is replacing injured Orlando guard Jameer Nelson on the roster.

The Cavs then took their complaints public, contending they were only team in the top five without more than one All-Star. LeBron James called it a "total smack in the face."

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[elmouse03]

James had a better year, with a better team record and it was accomplished with no all-stars on his team.

Wasn't Mo Williams an all star that year? What about big Z?

Big Z's last AS game was in 2005

This is how Mo got in

"Twice snubbed, the Cleveland Cavaliers point guard was added to the roster Tuesday by NBA commissioner David Stern as a replacement for injured Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh.

Williams wasn't voted in by the fans, nor was he chosen by Eastern Conference head coaches as a reserve. Then he was passed over by Stern in favor of Boston's Ray Allen, who is replacing injured Orlando guard Jameer Nelson on the roster.

The Cavs then took their complaints public, contending they were only team in the top five without more than one All-Star. LeBron James called it a "total smack in the face."

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Yeah. I remember that. Congrats to Mo.

[Jims_Doors]

from 2003 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the nba

he was injured in 2004 and 2005 which kept him from producing like he should ... but all other years he was legit MVP of the league

6 mvps by my count


sure another team might have been better than the lakers... but that mvp criteria is bullshit


like i said.. if the players voted kobe wins a bunch of times

That's been the criteria waaaaaaaaaaay before Kobe came into the league.

[Kennethgriffin]

Kobe would have never been able to come back from 3-1 vs a 73 win team doe.

what if

a) game 5 has the other teams finals mvp suspended

b) game 6 has the other teams season mvp foul out early

c) game 7 has one of kobes teammates hit a game winning three


all while one of kobes teammates outscores him during key moments

in 3 of the 4 cavs victories. they were all basically blow outs. and heres kyrie/lebrons scoring play by play between when the game was in the balance and when it was out of reach


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back






all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments


ladies and gentleman. the real finals mvp. the man who not only did all this. but also won the championship with a bail out series winning three pointer

king kyrie

[Jims_Doors]

Wasn't Mo Williams an all star that year? What about big Z?

Big Z's last AS game was in 2005

This is how Mo got in

"Twice snubbed, the Cleveland Cavaliers point guard was added to the roster Tuesday by NBA commissioner David Stern as a replacement for injured Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh.

Williams wasn't voted in by the fans, nor was he chosen by Eastern Conference head coaches as a reserve. Then he was passed over by Stern in favor of Boston's Ray Allen, who is replacing injured Orlando guard Jameer Nelson on the roster.

The Cavs then took their complaints public, contending they were only team in the top five without more than one All-Star. LeBron James called it a "total smack in the face."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/b ... iams_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah. I remember that. Congrats to Mo.

Most remember he was an AS in 09.....but don't realize he was past over twice. If there wasn't a bonus in Mo's contract for making the AS game, he should have told Stern... fuck you

[Kennethgriffin]

from 2003 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the nba

he was injured in 2004 and 2005 which kept him from producing like he should ... but all other years he was legit MVP of the league

6 mvps by my count


sure another team might have been better than the lakers... but that mvp criteria is bullshit


like i said.. if the players voted kobe wins a bunch of times

That's been the criteria waaaaaaaaaaay before Kobe came into the league.

if the first criteria of league mvp is based on the team... then its a team award


sometimes the regular season champion doesn't have a good enough rep ... so they give it to the 2nd or 3rd runner up?


so you're admitting its not a real award

[Jims_Doors]

Kobe would have never been able to come back from 3-1 vs a 73 win team doe.

what if

a) game 5 has the other teams finals mvp suspended

b) game 6 has the other teams season mvp foul out early

c) game 7 has one of kobes teammates hit a game winning three


all while one of kobes teammates outscores him during key moments

in 3 of the 4 cavs victories. they were all basically blow outs. and heres kyrie/lebrons scoring play by play between when the game was in the balance and when it was out of reach


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back






all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments


ladies and gentleman. the real finals mvp. the man who not only did all this. but also won the championship with a bail out series winning three pointer

king kyrie

[Kennethgriffin]

Kobe would have never been able to come back from 3-1 vs a 73 win team doe.

what if

a) game 5 has the other teams finals mvp suspended

b) game 6 has the other teams season mvp foul out early

c) game 7 has one of kobes teammates hit a game winning three


all while one of kobes teammates outscores him during key moments

in 3 of the 4 cavs victories. they were all basically blow outs. and heres kyrie/lebrons scoring play by play between when the game was in the balance and when it was out of reach


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back






all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments


ladies and gentleman. the real finals mvp. the man who not only did all this. but also won the championship with a bail out series winning three pointer

king kyrie

90% of those stats were either scored in losses or after the cavs were up 20


i proved it

accept it

[Kennethgriffin]

this was the best part of the thread ... when riley tried saying lebron assisted on all of those kyrie buckets

lol# key assists.

yeah. that makes up for doubling lebron in scoring during key moments

and now check how many of Kyrie's points came off Lebron assists

ok


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft ( assisted by t. thompson )
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft ( assisted by JR smith )
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft ( assisted by lebron james )
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim ( assisted by richard jefferson )
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim ( assisted by kyrie irving )
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft ( no assists )
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft ( no assist )
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft ( no assist )
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft ( no assist )
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft ( assisted by m. dellavedova )

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61 ( no assist )
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64 ( assisted by K.irving )
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66 ( no assist )
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66 ( assisted by k. love )
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66 ( assisted by lebron )
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft +3 80-73 ( assisted by lebron )
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87 ( no assist )
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96 ( no assist )
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96 ( assisted by lebron )


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft ( no assist )
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim ( assisted by r. jefferson )
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft ( no assist )
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft ( no assist )
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim ( assisted by k. irving )
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft ( assisted by t. thompson )
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft ( no assist )
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft ( assisted by k. love )
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft ( no assist )
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim ( assisted by JR smith )


game over ... cavs never looked back








total Kyrie assists on lebron fgs = 3

total lebron assists on kyrie fgs = 4

BTFO

R.I.P cuckwise

[Titan18]

Congrats to griff on turning his 2016 MVP thread into another lebron/Kobe slap fest.

[elmouse03]

what if

a) game 5 has the other teams finals mvp suspended

b) game 6 has the other teams season mvp foul out early

c) game 7 has one of kobes teammates hit a game winning three


all while one of kobes teammates outscores him during key moments

90% of those stats were either scored in losses or after the cavs were up 20


i proved it

accept it

No matter how it was done. It was still impressive.

You need to accept that.

[elmouse03]

Congrats to griff on turning his 2016 MVP thread into another lebron/Kobe slap fest.

He just can't let go of Kobe.