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President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."

Under current policy, anyone born in the U.S. – regardless of whether they are delivered by a non-citizen or undocumented immigrant – is considered a citizen. The interpretation has been blamed for so-called 'birth tourism' and chain migration.

The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Trump, should he pursue the executive order, would face court challenges, and it remains unclear whether he could prevail. Many legal scholars would argue such a change requires a constitutional amendment. But some conservatives argue the existing amendment holds room for interpretation.

Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

"What they are saying is, if you are born on U.S. soil subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – meaning you’re the child of citizens or the child of legal immigrants, then you are entitled to citizenship,” Anton told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson in July. “If you are here illegally, if you owe allegiance to a foreign nation, if you’re the citizen of a foreign country, that clause does not apply to you.”

The interview was released after Trump told Fox News that Central American migrants who are approaching the U.S.-Mexico border in caravans are "wasting their time" and vowed, "they are not coming in."

Trump spoke to "The Ingraham Angle" hours after the Pentagon announced it would deploy some 5,200 troops to the southern border in what the commander of U.S. Northern Command described as an effort to "harden the southern border" by stiffening defenses at and near legal entry points.

"When they are captured, we don't let them out," Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "We're not letting them out ... We're not catching, we're not releasing ... We're not letting them into this country."
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I thought you crackers were strict Comstitutionalists?
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Ali Natural wrote:I thought you crackers were strict Comstitutionalists?
I've never said anything of the sort ***.
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LeBronMonsterDunk wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... itizenship
President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."

Under current policy, anyone born in the U.S. – regardless of whether they are delivered by a non-citizen or undocumented immigrant – is considered a citizen. The interpretation has been blamed for so-called 'birth tourism' and chain migration.

The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Trump, should he pursue the executive order, would face court challenges, and it remains unclear whether he could prevail. Many legal scholars would argue such a change requires a constitutional amendment. But some conservatives argue the existing amendment holds room for interpretation.

Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

"What they are saying is, if you are born on U.S. soil subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – meaning you’re the child of citizens or the child of legal immigrants, then you are entitled to citizenship,” Anton told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson in July. “If you are here illegally, if you owe allegiance to a foreign nation, if you’re the citizen of a foreign country, that clause does not apply to you.”

The interview was released after Trump told Fox News that Central American migrants who are approaching the U.S.-Mexico border in caravans are "wasting their time" and vowed, "they are not coming in."

Trump spoke to "The Ingraham Angle" hours after the Pentagon announced it would deploy some 5,200 troops to the southern border in what the commander of U.S. Northern Command described as an effort to "harden the southern border" by stiffening defenses at and near legal entry points.

"When they are captured, we don't let them out," Trump told host Laura Ingraham. "We're not letting them out ... We're not catching, we're not releasing ... We're not letting them into this country."
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My family was never illegal...you're completely dumb...plus he can't change the constitution..he still has never even read it...
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This is how I got my citizenship. My parents weren't illegal though.
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TheSaboteur wrote:This is how I got my citizenship. My parents weren't illegal though.
This wouldn't effect you then.
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TheSaboteur wrote:This is how I got my citizenship. My parents weren't illegal though.
Then this wasn't how you got your citizenship. The article says nothing of ending birthright citizenship for legal residents.
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Robceltsfan wrote:
TheSaboteur wrote:This is how I got my citizenship. My parents weren't illegal though.
Then this wasn't how you got your citizenship. The article says nothing of ending birthright citizenship for legal residents.
It's still called the same thing. Anyway, in some places the article says non-citizens, in other places it says illegal immigrants. Whatever.
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That’s not changing the Constitution, just enforcing it.

Illegal aliens and their offspring are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, so they do not qualify for citizenship under the 14th amendment.

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ripper76 wrote:That’s not changing the Constitution, just enforcing it.

Illegal aliens and their offspring are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, so they do not qualify for citizenship under the 14th amendment.

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LeBronMonsterDunk wrote:Artman's family packing their belongings as we speak.
Why would they?
Why would you think they should?
How stupid are you?
Do you know ANYTHING about the laws or how my family has been 100% citizens for longer than you have been alive?

Give it a rest...you're already stupid enough as is
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The left hates this because they want to stack the future with demographics that are overwhelmingly associated with leftism and socialism.

Poor babies.
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:The left hates this because they want to stack the future with demographics that are overwhelmingly associated with leftism and socialism.

Poor babies.
I'm left and I love this policy.
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manchild98 wrote:
Bush4Ever35 wrote:The left hates this because they want to stack the future with demographics that are overwhelmingly associated with leftism and socialism.

Poor babies.
I'm left and I love this policy.
God bless you, sir. :suds:
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elartman1973 wrote:
LeBronMonsterDunk wrote:Artman's family packing their belongings as we speak.
Why would they?
Why would you think they should?
How stupid are you?
Do you know ANYTHING about the laws or how my family has been 100% citizens for longer than you have been alive?

Give it a rest...you're already stupid enough as is
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Robceltsfan wrote:
manchild98 wrote:
Bush4Ever35 wrote:The left hates this because they want to stack the future with demographics that are overwhelmingly associated with leftism and socialism.

Poor babies.
I'm left and I love this policy.
God bless you, sir. :suds:


I'm so sick of your biblical bullshit on this site.

Nobody is buying the religious zealotry you're constantly trying to sell us.
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TheSaboteur wrote:This is how I got my citizenship. My parents weren't illegal though.

Ladies & gentlemen, this is what desperately trying to be a victim looks like.

Nice try, but you're legal AF.
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Robceltsfan wrote: God bless you, sir. :suds:
Are we really asking God to bless people simply for not being clinically insane (although yes, it's a good thing)?
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Robceltsfan wrote:
manchild98 wrote:
I'm left and I love this policy.
God bless you, sir. :suds:


I'm so sick of your biblical bullshit on this site.

Nobody is buying the religious zealotry you're constantly trying to sell us.

How dare you sir! I'm a church-going Catholic raising my children to know the Lord!

Take it back, old man. :evil:
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