Why is Muhammad Ali...a well documented racist...always so celebrated?

[AbeVigodaLive]

Rob really likes this topic.

It's been his go-to for weeks/months now.

[Robceltsfan]

Rob really likes this topic.

It's been his go-to for weeks/months now.

You're supposed to wait till page 4 or 5 to point this out...

Also, I never start these topics.

[Ali Natural]

There’s no such thing as racism. It’s not a real word.

The word “racist” was invented by Jewish communists in the 1920s to kick start their “civil rights” campaign in America. Before then, there was no “racism”, just freedom of association.

Racism is just another made up Jewish word (like homophobia, transphobia, etc...)

Large scale racism reared it’s ugly head due to the transatlantic slave trade. Euro’s had to biblically justify their use of slavery so it was best to just codify it on the basis of race and make bondage the natural position of blacks.

That’s how you can have a historical figure like St Maurice canonized by the Holy Roman Emporer only to be largely forgotten during the heyday of slavery

[lettherebehouse]

The Civil War was mainly fought over State's Rights and the demands included, but were certainly not limited to, slavery.

[elartman1973]

I just had a good cry over all this


Nah

[Ali Natural]

The Civil War was mainly fought over State's Rights and the demands included, but were certainly not limited to, slavery.

“The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right”

- Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens “Cornerstone Speech”


It doesn’t get any more clear than that

[zombiesonics]

There’s no such thing as racism. It’s not a real word.

The word “racist” was invented by Jewish communists in the 1920s to kick start their “civil rights” campaign in America. Before then, there was no “racism”, just freedom of association.

Racism is just another made up Jewish word (like homophobia, transphobia, etc...)

Large scale racism reared it’s ugly head due to the transatlantic slave trade. Euro’s had to biblically justify their use of slavery so it was best to just codify it on the basis of race and make bondage the natural position of blacks.

That’s how you can have a historical figure like St Maurice canonized by the Holy Roman Emporer only to be largely forgotten during the heyday of slavery

No they didn’t.

Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. Every race has been enslaved at some point in history.

And Arabs had been already enslaving blacks for centuries before Europeans. Whites didn’t need any “justification” to enslave blacks, they were just doing what has been for centuries before.

And those same Europeans also ended slavery even though they didn’t have to. Slavery is still going on all over the world in 3rd world countries.

[Ali Natural]

There’s no such thing as racism. It’s not a real word.

The word “racist” was invented by Jewish communists in the 1920s to kick start their “civil rights” campaign in America. Before then, there was no “racism”, just freedom of association.

Racism is just another made up Jewish word (like homophobia, transphobia, etc...)

Large scale racism reared it’s ugly head due to the transatlantic slave trade. Euro’s had to biblically justify their use of slavery so it was best to just codify it on the basis of race and make bondage the natural position of blacks.

That’s how you can have a historical figure like St Maurice canonized by the Holy Roman Emporer only to be largely forgotten during the heyday of slavery

No they didn’t.

Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. Every race has been enslaved at some point in history.

And Arabs had been already enslaving blacks for centuries before Europeans. Whites didn’t need any “justification” to enslave blacks, they were just doing what has been for centuries before.

And those same Europeans also ended slavery even though they didn’t have to. Slavery is still going on all over the world in 3rd world countries.

Transatlantic Slave trade differed from other slavery due to the racial element. Arab slavers would enslave anything that moved they didn’t discriminate lol. They also castrated their slaves instead of making slavery generational.

[zombiesonics]

Large scale racism reared it’s ugly head due to the transatlantic slave trade. Euro’s had to biblically justify their use of slavery so it was best to just codify it on the basis of race and make bondage the natural position of blacks.

That’s how you can have a historical figure like St Maurice canonized by the Holy Roman Emporer only to be largely forgotten during the heyday of slavery

No they didn’t.

Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. Every race has been enslaved at some point in history.

And Arabs had been already enslaving blacks for centuries before Europeans. Whites didn’t need any “justification” to enslave blacks, they were just doing what has been for centuries before.

And those same Europeans also ended slavery even though they didn’t have to. Slavery is still going on all over the world in 3rd world countries.

Transatlantic Slave trade differed from other slavery due to the racial element. Arab slavers would enslave anything that moved they didn’t discriminate lol. They also castrated their slaves instead of making slavery generational.

All that does is show that Arabs were a lot more brutal to blacks then Europeans.

Arabs castrated the males and used females concubines and then killed their offspring. That’s why more blacks died under the Arab slave trade because they kept bringing in new slaves from Africa.

Europeans allowed their slaves to reproduce, and then gave them rights after they freed (in America anyway).

Every country in the Western Hemisphere that was colonized by a Europeans and had black slave (America, Brazil, Puetro Rico, etc...) still has black in that country today.

There are no black people in Turkey, Iran, or Saudi Arabia because they were all killed off.

[Ali Natural]

No they didn’t.

Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. Every race has been enslaved at some point in history.

And Arabs had been already enslaving blacks for centuries before Europeans. Whites didn’t need any “justification” to enslave blacks, they were just doing what has been for centuries before.

And those same Europeans also ended slavery even though they didn’t have to. Slavery is still going on all over the world in 3rd world countries.

Transatlantic Slave trade differed from other slavery due to the racial element. Arab slavers would enslave anything that moved they didn’t discriminate lol. They also castrated their slaves instead of making slavery generational.

All that does is show that Arabs were a lot more brutal to blacks then Europeans.

Arabs castrated the males and used females concubines and then killed their offspring. That’s why more blacks died under the Arab slave trade because they kept bringing in new slaves from Africa.

Europeans allowed their slaves to reproduce, and then gave them rights after they freed (in America anyway).

Every country in the Western Hemisphere that was colonized by a Europeans and had black slave (America, Brazil, Puetro Rico, etc...) still has black in that country today.

There are no black people in Turkey, Iran, or Saudi Arabia because they were all killed off.

Find me a thread where I defend Arabs lol

[Y2K]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

[Robceltsfan]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

[Y2K]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

[Ali Natural]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

Rob thinks HBCU’s only admit black kids. You’re wasting your time debating someone that willfully ignorant

[Robceltsfan]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

I can't....and neither can you. Stats are all we really have to go on. And statistically speaking, African-Americans commit violent crimes at a higher rate than their white counterparts, but using that same metric, whites are killed by cops at a higher rate than blacks.

But that's not even the point. When you look at the media narrative surrounding this entire concept, you'd be led to believe that it's an epidemic problem for blacks....and no problem whatsoever for whites or other races. That's not even remotely close to the truth. But here we are, enduring people like Kaep trying to tell us how hard it is to be black in America based on a narrative that has little to no truth.

I've admitted that I don't have the answers to solving the issue of perpetual poverty and crime in African-American "hoods".....but making white folks feel bad about themselves isn't the answer. And that won't change the outcomes for blacks anyways.

You and I have had this discussion more than a few times here. I'm open to admitting that racism certainly still exists in America.....it just isn't the underlying cause to the plight of blacks (anymore). It may have caused the orignal rut that they remain stuck in, but it isn't the reason anymore. The problems are internal, and need to be solved by having more 2-parent households, and investing in education.

There's no magical wand white people can wave that will fix the black community.

[Robceltsfan]

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

Rob thinks HBCU’s only admit black kids. You’re wasting your time debating someone that willfully ignorant

Do HBCU's have any requirements to admit races other than black?

[lettherebehouse]

It's like the old saying:

A white person is more likely to carry. A black person is more likely to be caught. That's not simply due to bad luck.

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

Video evidence, forensics, eyewitness testimony, skin color...no different than any other investigation.

[Ali Natural]

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

Rob thinks HBCU’s only admit black kids. You’re wasting your time debating someone that willfully ignorant

Do HBCU's have any requirements to admit races other than black?

Huh? HBCU’s follow the same rules HCCU’s ( Historically Cracker ) follow.

[Y2K]

C'mon man...

Carrying a weapon, and using a weapon to perpetrate a crime are not the same thing. Police brutality is not a phenomenon known only to blacks, and the statistics behind who commits violent crimes and who receives overreactions from cops are less than coincidental.

If you want to use brutality-to-total population stats to frame your argument....then conveniently ignore crime-to-total population statistics....you simply aren't being honest. The ratios are similar (in fact....they skew towards targeting whites more frequently with regards to deaths at the hands of police officers).

So here has been my entire argument when it comes to the police brutality issue:

How can one look at the statistics and distinctively determine which killings by law enforcement are Justified or not?

I can't....and neither can you. Stats are all we really have to go on. And statistically speaking, African-Americans commit violent crimes at a higher rate than their white counterparts, but using that same metric, whites are killed by cops at a higher rate than blacks.

But that's not even the point. When you look at the media narrative surrounding this entire concept, you'd be led to believe that it's an epidemic problem for blacks....and no problem whatsoever for whites or other races. That's not even remotely close to the truth. But here we are, enduring people like Kaep trying to tell us how hard it is to be black in America based on a narrative that has little to no truth.

I've admitted that I don't have the answers to solving the issue of perpetual poverty and crime in African-American "hoods".....but making white folks feel bad about themselves isn't the answer. And that won't change the outcomes for blacks anyways.

You and I have had this discussion more than a few times here. I'm open to admitting that racism certainly still exists in America.....it just isn't the underlying cause to the plight of blacks (anymore). It may have caused the orignal rut that they remain stuck in, but it isn't the reason anymore. The problems are internal, and need to be solved by having more 2-parent households, and investing in education.

There's no magical wand white people can wave that will fix the black community.

That in itself is a huge problem, Rob. Referring to those statistics is nothing more than the reinforcement of a negative social stigma without dealing with the reality of what individuals from different races encounter.

This isn't to say that the statistics have no relevance at all but rather they do not explain root causes of problems within different ethnic groups.

And for the record, we have definitely had some pleasant, productive conversations on the subject and I hope that we can continue to do so.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Ali was celebrated because he was a great boxer and an even better entertainer... plus only black people can get away with being racist, so there's that as well.