kinda feel sorry for Isiah Thomas. he should be a top 10 player ever ahead of lebron

[Lonzo_Ball]

Kareem might have been an all star in 89 but he averaged 10ppg and 4.5rpg. Laimbeer averaged 13.7 and 9.6 in 89. Laimbeer was one of the ironmen of the nba from his rookie season up until 93.

the one and only "maybe" on that list that might favor detroit

i'd still take a 40 year old cap TBH


his numbers didn't reflect his skills at all

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[Y2K]

Kareem might have been an all star in 89 but he averaged 10ppg and 4.5rpg. Laimbeer averaged 13.7 and 9.6 in 89. Laimbeer was one of the ironmen of the nba from his rookie season up until 93.

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

And he could have easily been named Finals MVP in 1990. The difference is that Thomas had an excellent game 5 and Dumars struggled from the field.

Dumars, Manu, and a few other role players on various championship teams continue to be underappreciated for the talents that they really were.

[Lonzo_Ball]

Kareem might have been an all star in 89 but he averaged 10ppg and 4.5rpg. Laimbeer averaged 13.7 and 9.6 in 89. Laimbeer was one of the ironmen of the nba from his rookie season up until 93.

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

playing better in one series doesn't make dumars better than worthy


was jason terry a better player than lebron in 2011?



and besides.. worthy averaged 26ppg/4rpg/4apg on 48% fg's and 67% threes in the 1989 finals. so the fmvp could have gone either way TBH

[elmouse03]

Kareem might have been an all star in 89 but he averaged 10ppg and 4.5rpg. Laimbeer averaged 13.7 and 9.6 in 89. Laimbeer was one of the ironmen of the nba from his rookie season up until 93.

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

And he could have easily been named Finals MVP in 1990. The difference is that Thomas had an excellent game 5 and Dumars struggled from the field.

Dumars, Manu, and a few other role players on various championship teams continue to be underappreciated for the talents that they really were.

Dumars was great in the 89 finals and hit that crazy shot in 90 during the game in which his father died before. Had to guard Magic, Jordan, and Drexler in their run during those years.

[elmouse03]

Kareem might have been an all star in 89 but he averaged 10ppg and 4.5rpg. Laimbeer averaged 13.7 and 9.6 in 89. Laimbeer was one of the ironmen of the nba from his rookie season up until 93.

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

playing better in one series doesn't make dumars better than worthy


was jason terry a better player than lebron in 2011?



and besides.. worthy averaged 26ppg/4rpg/4apg on 48% fg's and 67% threes in the 1989 finals. so the fmvp could have gone either way TBH

Yeah lets give it to a guy who got swept.

[Y2K]

Thomas didn't beat shit. And those Detroit teams had more depth than any team in the league at that time.

1989

Magic Johnson > Isiah Thomas
James worthy > Joe Dumars
Kareem Abdul Jabbar > Bill Laimbeer
Michael Cooper = Dennis Rodman defensively
Byron Scott > Mark Acquire
Orlando Woolridge = Vinnie Johnson
AC Green > Rick Mahorn
Michael Thompson > John Salley

[Lonzo_Ball]

1989

Magic Johnson > Isiah Thomas
James worthy > Joe Dumars
Kareem Abdul Jabbar > Bill Laimbeer
Michael Cooper = Dennis Rodman defensively
Byron Scott > Mark Acquire
Orlando Woolridge = Vinnie Johnson
AC Green > Rick Mahorn
Michael Thompson > John Salley

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[elmouse03]

1989

Magic Johnson > Isiah Thomas
James worthy > Joe Dumars
Kareem Abdul Jabbar > Bill Laimbeer
Michael Cooper = Dennis Rodman defensively
Byron Scott > Mark Acquire
Orlando Woolridge = Vinnie Johnson
AC Green > Rick Mahorn
Michael Thompson > John Salley

1989
Pistons 63-19>Lakers 57-25

Simple as the Pistons were just the better team at the time. Laimbeer gave you scoring and rebounding starting and Rodman gave you 9 and 9 off the bench. Rodman was efficient in those days.

[Y2K]

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

playing better in one series doesn't make dumars better than worthy


was jason terry a better player than lebron in 2011?



and besides.. worthy averaged 26ppg/4rpg/4apg on 48% fg's and 67% threes in the 1989 finals. so the fmvp could have gone either way TBH

Yeah lets give it to a guy who got swept.

I can't even applaud him for trying because it's pure stupidity that's coming from him.

[Lonzo_Ball]

1989
Pistons 63-19>Lakers 57-25

Simple as the Pistons were just the better team at the time. Laimbeer gave you scoring and rebounding starting and Rodman gave you 9 and 9 off the bench. Rodman was efficient in those days.

better team doesn't necessarily mean better individual players or more depth


the 2004 lakers had better individuals than detroit

the 2000 blazers had more depth than the 2000 lakers



i clearly proved that the lakers had the better team of talent. the pistons just worked better together and had a healthy leader ( as apposed to an injured one on LA with magic )

[Lonzo_Ball]

He was 41 years old and crawled up and down the court by then.

Dumars was the story of those finals. He was magnificent.

playing better in one series doesn't make dumars better than worthy


was jason terry a better player than lebron in 2011?



and besides.. worthy averaged 26ppg/4rpg/4apg on 48% fg's and 67% threes in the 1989 finals. so the fmvp could have gone either way TBH

Yeah lets give it to a guy who got swept.

lebron won 1 game and the media/fans gave it up to him

shit he even gave it up to himself..."i averaged a triple double. don't look at me ( or my defense )"

[elmouse03]

thomas beat teams with more depth and showed up big in the finals/won mvp atleast once

curry not so much

Thomas didn't beat shit. And those Detroit teams had more depth than any team in the league at that time.

1989

Magic Johnson > Isiah Thomas
James worthy > Joe Dumars
Kareem Abdul Jabbar > Bill Laimbeer
Michael Cooper = Dennis Rodman defensively
Byron Scott > Mark Acquire
Orlando Woolridge = Vinnie Johnson
AC Green > Rick Mahorn
Michael Thompson > John Salley

You forgot about James Edwards.

[Robceltsfan]

So Griff said Isiah should have won MVP in '89....but now he's touting Magic > Isiah in '89?

Pick one, bro. Can't have both.

[Lonzo_Ball]

So Griff said Isiah should have won MVP in '89....but now he's touting Magic > Isiah in '89?

Pick one, bro. Can't have both.

Mvp and better player are 2 different things. Even when i said zeke should have won mvp i said magic was the better individual player and had better numbers

[Y2K]

So Griff said Isiah should have won MVP in '89....but now he's touting Magic > Isiah in '89?

Pick one, bro. Can't have both.

He's trying to have it all and looking like a fool simultaneously.

Dude has the nerve to bring up Orlando Woolridge.

[Lonzo_Ball]

So Griff said Isiah should have won MVP in '89....but now he's touting Magic > Isiah in '89?

Pick one, bro. Can't have both.

He's trying to have it all and looking like a fool simultaneously.

Dude has the nerve to bring up Orlando Woolridge.

i'm not trying to have it all... i said isiah under the best player on best team criteria would be 1989 mvp

and in the same post i said magic was the better individual player with better stats

and i followed that post up by saying the best player and mvp are rarely the same guy

then i put magic over isiah in the comparison post and blind fools like you guys assumed i was flipflopping on my stance that isiah is the mvp by saying magic is the better individual player

not my fault you guys can't read properly




as for orlando woolridge. he sacrificed heavily on the lakers. averaging 10ppg/13ppg the 2 years he was there. then suddenly bumping up to 25ppg the very next season with denver

that combined with averaging 20ppg or higher 4 times before joining LA makes a great case for him being a significant player

all i did was compare him to vinnie johnsons impact

and that guy never once averaged over 15ppg


so get off my nuts. i was right in every instance and continue to obliterate the shit out of you people

[Y2K]

So Griff said Isiah should have won MVP in '89....but now he's touting Magic > Isiah in '89?

Pick one, bro. Can't have both.

He's trying to have it all and looking like a fool simultaneously.

Dude has the nerve to bring up Orlando Woolridge.

i'm not trying to have it all... i said isiah under the best player on best team criteria would be 1989 mvp

and in the same post i said magic was the better individual player with better stats

and i followed that post up by saying the best player and mvp are rarely the same guy

then i put magic over isiah in the comparison post and blind fools like you guys assumed i was flipflopping on my stance that isiah is the mvp by saying magic is the better individual player

not my fault you guys can't read properly




as for orlando woolridge. he sacrificed heavily on the lakers. averaging 10ppg/13ppg the 2 years he was there. then suddenly bumping up to 25ppg the very next season with denver

that combined with averaging 20ppg or higher 4 times before joining LA makes a great case for him being a significant player

all i did was compare him to vinnie johnsons impact

and that guy never once averaged over 15ppg


so get off my nuts. i was right in every instance and continue to obliterate the shit out of you people

You say this bs about Orlando Woolridge and then criticize Nash for his "inflated" stats.

The 91 Nuggets, the team that Woolridge average 25 points with, played at a pace of 114. The next closest team played at a pace of 104. The League average was 98. So now what?

It's like I say, keep trying bro.

[Lonzo_Ball]

He's trying to have it all and looking like a fool simultaneously.

Dude has the nerve to bring up Orlando Woolridge.

i'm not trying to have it all... i said isiah under the best player on best team criteria would be 1989 mvp

and in the same post i said magic was the better individual player with better stats

and i followed that post up by saying the best player and mvp are rarely the same guy

then i put magic over isiah in the comparison post and blind fools like you guys assumed i was flipflopping on my stance that isiah is the mvp by saying magic is the better individual player

not my fault you guys can't read properly




as for orlando woolridge. he sacrificed heavily on the lakers. averaging 10ppg/13ppg the 2 years he was there. then suddenly bumping up to 25ppg the very next season with denver

that combined with averaging 20ppg or higher 4 times before joining LA makes a great case for him being a significant player

all i did was compare him to vinnie johnsons impact

and that guy never once averaged over 15ppg


so get off my nuts. i was right in every instance and continue to obliterate the shit out of you people

You say this bs about Orlando Woolridge and then criticize Nash for his "inflated" stats.

The 91 Nuggets, the team that Woolridge average 25 points with, played at a pace of 114. The next closest team played at a pace of 104. The League average was 98. So now what?

It's like I say, keep trying bro.

Im not saying hes a superstar. Im saying hes on par with vinnie johnson.. possibly better

And i have many other years on my side that prove that theory

[Y2K]

i'm not trying to have it all... i said isiah under the best player on best team criteria would be 1989 mvp

and in the same post i said magic was the better individual player with better stats

and i followed that post up by saying the best player and mvp are rarely the same guy

then i put magic over isiah in the comparison post and blind fools like you guys assumed i was flipflopping on my stance that isiah is the mvp by saying magic is the better individual player

not my fault you guys can't read properly




as for orlando woolridge. he sacrificed heavily on the lakers. averaging 10ppg/13ppg the 2 years he was there. then suddenly bumping up to 25ppg the very next season with denver

that combined with averaging 20ppg or higher 4 times before joining LA makes a great case for him being a significant player

all i did was compare him to vinnie johnsons impact

and that guy never once averaged over 15ppg


so get off my nuts. i was right in every instance and continue to obliterate the shit out of you people

You say this bs about Orlando Woolridge and then criticize Nash for his "inflated" stats.

The 91 Nuggets, the team that Woolridge average 25 points with, played at a pace of 114. The next closest team played at a pace of 104. The League average was 98. So now what?

It's like I say, keep trying bro.

Im not saying hes a superstar. Im saying hes on par with vinnie johnson.. possibly better

And i have many other years on my side that prove that theory

Your comparisons don't even make sense. Why are u even comparing each player individually AND NOT even by their prospective position?? It's foolishness at best.

[Lonzo_Ball]

You say this bs about Orlando Woolridge and then criticize Nash for his "inflated" stats.

The 91 Nuggets, the team that Woolridge average 25 points with, played at a pace of 114. The next closest team played at a pace of 104. The League average was 98. So now what?

It's like I say, keep trying bro.

Im not saying hes a superstar. Im saying hes on par with vinnie johnson.. possibly better

And i have many other years on my side that prove that theory

Your comparisons don't even make sense. Why are u even comparing each player individually AND NOT even by their prospective position?? It's foolishness at best.

i compare them as

best vs best

2nd best vs 2nd best ..etc...


thats the correct way to compare since its a discussion on depth. not individual matchups