For all intents and purposes, Kobe was pretty much MJ

Alex_Murphy · Post by **Alex_Murphy** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:50 am

He should have had about 8 rings all the bullshit and shitty management decisions costed him 3 chips

somberbostonian · Post by **somberbostonian** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:09 am

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elartman1973 · Post by **elartman1973** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:58 am

Madnessssss wrote:Almost identical skill set but with longer arms making him an even better defender with a million 1st team all NBA defense selections.

One fewer ring, but in a MUCH more difficult era where zone defenses and double teams were allowed. And aside from shaq, Kobe never had a lot of help. He had to carry the laker franchise alone.

That being said, he is a rapist. And a snitch.

Jordan was better at everything including defense..
Lol at being too young to have watched jordan play and pretending you have a clue when you dont...
Loser

elartman1973 · Post by **elartman1973** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:23 am

Madnessssss wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:
Madnessssss wrote:Almost identical skill set but with longer arms making him an even better defender with a million 1st team all NBA defense selections.

One fewer ring, but in a MUCH more difficult era where zone defenses and double teams were allowed. And aside from shaq, Kobe never had a lot of help. He had to carry the laker franchise alone.

That being said, he is a rapist. And a snitch.
Jordan was better at everything including defense..
Lol at being too young to have watched jordan play and pretending you have a clue when you dont...
Loser
Kobe was virtually identical

No

denali4eva · Post by **denali4eva** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:25 am

Wait! You mean to tell me that this thread gets a pass from KUB and he went apeshit in my nice thread??? What a son of a bitch!!!!

denali4eva · Post by **denali4eva** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:47 am

Madnessssss wrote:
denali4eva wrote:Wait! You mean to tell me that this thread gets a pass from KUB and he went apeshit in my nice thread??? What a son of a bitch!!!!
Nobody dares fuck with me. I say whatever the hell I want, and everyone here accepts it.

Looks that way.... :timmy:

Robceltsfan · Post by **Robceltsfan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:18 am

Considering Kobe's best attribute was his volume scoring, and the fact that he finished his career 11th all-time in PPG.....that should tell you something.

He led the NBA in PPG only twice in his career (again, despite his BEST attribute being his volume scoring).

In fact, he never led the NBA in any other statistical category other than some type of volume attempts/makes/misses. Even further to this he never even finished top 10 in any other statistical category other than steals (3 times) and turnovers (9 times).

He was top 2 in missed FGs 9 times (6 times he was #1) despite only leading the league in made FGs 3 times.

He was NEVER 1st or 2nd in the NBA in PER in any season.

He was NEVER top 3 in Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER #1 in Offensive Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER top 4 in Box Plus/Minus.

He was NEVER top 2 in VORP.

He was top 10 only ONCE in Defensive Win Shares (#10 in 99-00).

Kobe was a great player, but the comparisons to Jordan end there. There is/was no comparison. It's not particularly close.

To be honest, Kobe was never really the "best" player of his generation. Most consistent? Maybe. But never the outright "best" player of his generation. Shaq, Duncan and Lebron are all ahead of him. Wade, Garnett and Dirk aren't very far behind him.

An argument can be made that he's top 10 all-time....maybe even as high as 9th or 8th. Anything beyond that is hero-worship....homer-glasses....simple delusion.

Bush4Ever · Post by **Bush4Ever** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:27 am

Kobe = Diluted MJ

Nothing to scoff at for sure, but no...not "basically MJ".

Deez · Post by **Deez** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:36 am

Robceltsfan wrote:Considering Kobe's best attribute was his volume scoring, and the fact that he finished his career 11th all-time in PPG.....that should tell you something.

He led the NBA in PPG only twice in his career (again, despite his BEST attribute being his volume scoring).

In fact, he never led the NBA in any other statistical category other than some type of volume attempts/makes/misses. Even further to this he never even finished top 10 in any other statistical category other than steals (3 times) and turnovers (9 times).

He was top 2 in missed FGs 9 times (6 times he was #1) despite only leading the league in made FGs 3 times.

He was NEVER 1st or 2nd in the NBA in PER in any season.

He was NEVER top 3 in Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER #1 in Offensive Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER top 4 in Box Plus/Minus.

He was NEVER top 2 in VORP.

He was top 10 only ONCE in Defensive Win Shares (#10 in 99-00).

Kobe was a great player, but the comparisons to Jordan end there. There is/was no comparison. It's not particularly close.

To be honest, Kobe was never really the "best" player of his generation. Most consistent? Maybe. But never the outright "best" player of his generation. Shaq, Duncan and Lebron are all ahead of him. Wade, Garnett and Dirk aren't very far behind him.

An argument can be made that he's top 10 all-time....maybe even as high as 9th or 8th. Anything beyond that is hero-worship....homer-glasses....simple delusion.

Ouch

Ghostown42 · Post by **Ghostown42** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:30 am

Robceltsfan wrote:Considering Kobe's best attribute was his volume scoring, and the fact that he finished his career 11th all-time in PPG.....that should tell you something.

He led the NBA in PPG only twice in his career (again, despite his BEST attribute being his volume scoring).

In fact, he never led the NBA in any other statistical category other than some type of volume attempts/makes/misses. Even further to this he never even finished top 10 in any other statistical category other than steals (3 times) and turnovers (9 times).

He was top 2 in missed FGs 9 times (6 times he was #1) despite only leading the league in made FGs 3 times.

He was NEVER 1st or 2nd in the NBA in PER in any season.

He was NEVER top 3 in Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER #1 in Offensive Win Shares in any season.

He was NEVER top 4 in Box Plus/Minus.

He was NEVER top 2 in VORP.

He was top 10 only ONCE in Defensive Win Shares (#10 in 99-00).

Kobe was a great player, but the comparisons to Jordan end there. There is/was no comparison. It's not particularly close.

To be honest, Kobe was never really the "best" player of his generation. Most consistent? Maybe. But never the outright "best" player of his generation. Shaq, Duncan and Lebron are all ahead of him. Wade, Garnett and Dirk aren't very far behind him.

An argument can be made that he's top 10 all-time....maybe even as high as 9th or 8th. Anything beyond that is hero-worship....homer-glasses....simple delusion.

Everything that you said is true, but Duncan is way more consistent than Kobe ever was. LeBron is more consistent as well.

In his career, Kobe has shot 40% or less in more than 35% of the games in his entire career. Every 3rd game, Kobe is going to shoot 40% or less. That is the definition of inconsistent.

Post by **Y2K** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:26 am

I'll give Kobe this: He was the best player in the league at one point in his career. I would say 2005-08 was his time at the top...but in those years, the gap between he and #2 was not big at all.

Robceltsfan · Post by **Robceltsfan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:31 am

y2ktors wrote:I'll give Kobe this: He was the best player in the league at one point in his career. I would say 2005-08 was his time at the top...but in those years, the gap between he and #2 was not big at all.

28.1/7.0/5.1/44.6%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

30.8/5.8/5.3/45.2%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

One is a 4-year Kobe stretch (05-08)....the other is not.

Post by **Y2K** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:10 pm

Robceltsfan wrote:
y2ktors wrote:I'll give Kobe this: He was the best player in the league at one point in his career. I would say 2005-08 was his time at the top...but in those years, the gap between he and #2 was not big at all.
28.1/7.0/5.1/44.6%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

30.8/5.8/5.3/45.2%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

One is a 4-year Kobe stretch (05-08)....the other is not.

My reference was a 3 year stretch: 2005-06 thru 2007-08.

But back to your post: I made my statement based on not just stats but also the most polished player, which was Kobe Bryant at that point. The year that Kobe won ring #4, I feel that LeBron James eclipsed him.

It's like with Jordan: As exciting and individually gifted as he was, I don't think he was better than Bird or Magic until 1988. I would say that Jordan was not clear cut the best until 1990.

Robceltsfan · Post by **Robceltsfan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:12 pm

y2ktors wrote:
Robceltsfan wrote:
y2ktors wrote:I'll give Kobe this: He was the best player in the league at one point in his career. I would say 2005-08 was his time at the top...but in those years, the gap between he and #2 was not big at all.
28.1/7.0/5.1/44.6%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

30.8/5.8/5.3/45.2%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

One is a 4-year Kobe stretch (05-08)....the other is not.
My reference was a 3 year stretch: 2005-06 thru 2007-08.

But back to your post: I made my statement based on not just stats but also the most polished player, which was Kobe Bryant at that point. The year that Kobe won ring #4, I feel that LeBron James eclipsed him.

It's like with Jordan: As exciting and individually gifted as he was, I don't think he was better than Bird or Magic until 1988. I would say that Jordan was not clear cut the best until 1990.

What....you didn't like me going back to my Kobe/T-Mac troll angle???

Havlicekstealsit · Post by **Havlicekstealsit** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:13 pm

He was the closest thing we got post-MJ from a shooting guard standpoint.

Robceltsfan · Post by **Robceltsfan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:15 pm

Havlicekstealsit wrote:He was the closest thing we got post-MJ from a shooting guard standpoint.

Now that I can agree with. He was MJ-lite. He was an MJ wannabe....only not good enough to pull it off as well as MJ did.

Post by **Y2K** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:15 pm

Robceltsfan wrote:
y2ktors wrote:
Robceltsfan wrote:
28.1/7.0/5.1/44.6%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

30.8/5.8/5.3/45.2%FG - Made the playoffs 3 times...missed it once.

One is a 4-year Kobe stretch (05-08)....the other is not.
My reference was a 3 year stretch: 2005-06 thru 2007-08.

But back to your post: I made my statement based on not just stats but also the most polished player, which was Kobe Bryant at that point. The year that Kobe won ring #4, I feel that LeBron James eclipsed him.

It's like with Jordan: As exciting and individually gifted as he was, I don't think he was better than Bird or Magic until 1988. I would say that Jordan was not clear cut the best until 1990.

What....you didn't like me going back to my Kobe/T-Mac troll angle???

I definitely need to eat!! I totally swung and missed that angle.

Post by **Kingcarl24** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:16 pm

Kobe has the greatest 2nd place record of all time.

Havlicekstealsit · Post by **Havlicekstealsit** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:21 pm

Robceltsfan wrote:
Havlicekstealsit wrote:He was the closest thing we got post-MJ from a shooting guard standpoint.

Now that I can agree with. He was MJ-lite. He was an MJ wannabe....only not good enough to pull it off as well as MJ did.

And frankly there's nothing wrong with that. He did it his way. Granted he mimicked most of MJ's moves, but still. He got his titles, his MVP, and a legacy that is top 10ish playing a tier or two below Mike. Sure it may have looked ugly at times but even those near the top had some slip-ups in their careers. Scoring wings coming into the league today grew up watching him, and to them Jordan is merely a guy who pitches underwear.

LookAway · Post by **LookAway** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:54 pm

Robceltsfan wrote:Considering Kobe's best attribute was his volume scoring, and the fact that he finished his career 11th all-time in PPG.....that should tell you something.

He led the NBA in PPG only twice in his career (again, despite his BEST attribute being his volume scoring).

In fact, he never led the NBA in any other statistical category other than some type of volume attempts/makes/misses. Even further to this he never even finished top 10 in any other statistical category other than steals

An argument can be made that he's top 10 all-time....maybe even as high as 9th or 8th. Anything beyond that is hero-worship....homer-glasses....simple delusion.

I have him at 1 slot better than Bird. Put Bird where you want, I won't argue

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