2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #24

[Y2K]

The results are in. Steve Nash was vote as the #23 greatest post-merger player of all-time.

Each thread will be stickied to the general board until the given round is over. Nominations during this round are CLOSED.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Tim Duncan
3. Earvin Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Lebron James
10. Moses Malone
11. Kevin Garnett
12. David Robinson
13. Dirk Nowitzki
14. Karl Malone
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Julius Erving
17. Charles Barkley
18. Scottie Pippen
19. Isiah Thomas
20. John Stockton
21. Patrick Ewing
22. Clyde Drexler
23. Steve Nash

Begin by casting your vote for #24 from these candidates:


George Gervin -

Kevin McHale - 14

Jason Kidd -

Chris Paul -

Kevin Durant -


Total Votes: 14

[Robceltsfan]

The answer here should be McHale or Durant.

I'll stick with McHale.



If Gervin gets voted in you guys are idiots and someone will need to frame an argument for him getting in over KD or even a guy like Nique.

[Odogg]

Kevin McAHole

[Bush4Ever]

I vote McHale.

One of the most baffling low-post players to guard, an efficient scorer in the extreme, with very good defense (if somewhat modest rebounding).

Note that when Bird missed an entire season, McHale's production (at an old age and with some injury) was still 22/9/all-NBA defense, at 55 percent shooting.

He also shot ~90 percent from the line one year.

[Y2K]

The answer here should be McHale or Durant.

I'll stick with McHale.



If Gervin gets voted in you guys are idiots and someone will need to frame an argument for him getting in over KD or even a guy like Nique.

Gervin won't get in here but definitely is worthy of being in the conversation.

[Robceltsfan]

The answer here should be McHale or Durant.

I'll stick with McHale.



If Gervin gets voted in you guys are idiots and someone will need to frame an argument for him getting in over KD or even a guy like Nique.

Gervin won't get in here but definitely is worthy of being in the conversation.

A Gervin/Nique conversation needs to be had.....and in my opinion Durant is ahead of both of them even in his short career.

[Bush4Ever]

There is zero question in my mind that Durant craps on Gervin in terms of peak performance.

Nique vs. Gervin is potentially more interesting.

Of course, peak Durant LOLing at peak Gervin doesn't automatically mean Durant should go over Gervin in a career-based list, but it definitely requires tangible things that overcome that peak difference.

I'm not precisely sure what that would be in this case.

[Robceltsfan]

There is zero question in my mind that Durant craps on Gervin in terms of peak performance.

Nique vs. Gervin is potentially more interesting.

Of course, peak Durant LOLing at peak Gervin doesn't automatically mean Durant should go over Gervin in a career-based list, but it definitely requires tangible things that overcome that peak difference.

I'm not precisely sure what that would be in this case.

Advanced metrics: Advantage Durant
Team success: Advantage Durant
Peak performance: Advantage Durant
Playoff success: Advantage Durant
Personal Hardware: Advantage Durant

Yesteryear nostalgia: Advantage Gervin

[AbeVigodaLive]

Nash.

Again.




[Edit: oops, sorry. Got so used to it. I'll go with Kevin McHale here.]

[876Stephen]

Mchale

[Deez]

McHale

[vcsgrizzfan]

Almost feels superfluous here, but McHale.

[Y2K]

The answer here should be McHale or Durant.

I'll stick with McHale.



If Gervin gets voted in you guys are idiots and someone will need to frame an argument for him getting in over KD or even a guy like Nique.

Gervin won't get in here but definitely is worthy of being in the conversation.

A Gervin/Nique conversation needs to be had.....and in my opinion Durant is ahead of both of them even in his short career.

Gervin over Nique is a very easy choice for me.

[Bush4Ever]

Here is a discussion point:

Where does Robert Parish rank, considering we are about to appoint Kevin McHale to a top 25 spot?

We don't seem to talk about Parish much, but generally talk up McHale to death.

But is there really *that* much of a difference?

McHale was a half-tier to a tier above Parish as a scorer it seems, but most due to volume, as Parish generally scored in the high teens with extreme efficiency, relatively similarily to McHale, especially when you consider their respective ages. In 1989 (no Bird), Parish put up 19 a game on 57 percent shooting to McHale's 23 on 55 percent shooting.

Parish was clearly the superior rebounder, by a non-trivial amount. I would rate them roughly equivalent defensively (in fact, Bird in one of his books said Parish was the "leader of the defense").

Parish has more length to his career. McHale has more general hardware, but I think some of that is due to varying levels of competition at their respective positions.

So what makes McHale *that* much better than Parish for this list?

[Y2K]

McHale this round. KD isn't quite as accomplished at this point in the comparison to McHale. I'm going with McHale.

[Deez]

Here is a discussion point:

Where does Robert Parish rank, considering we are about to appoint Kevin McHale to a top 25 spot?

We don't seem to talk about Parish much, but generally talk up McHale to death.

But is there really *that* much of a difference?

McHale was a half-tier to a tier above Parish as a scorer it seems, but most due to volume, as Parish generally scored in the high teens with extreme efficiency, relatively similarily to McHale, especially when you consider their respective ages. In 1989 (no Bird), Parish put up 19 a game on 57 percent shooting to McHale's 23 on 55 percent shooting.

Parish was clearly the superior rebounder, by a non-trivial amount. I would rate them roughly equivalent defensively (in fact, Bird in one of his books said Parish was the "leader of the defense").

Parish has more length to his career. McHale has more general hardware, but I think some of that is due to varying levels of competition at their respective positions.

So what makes McHale *that* much better than Parish for this list?

I was wondering about this awhile back with Rob.

[Robceltsfan]

Gervin won't get in here but definitely is worthy of being in the conversation.

A Gervin/Nique conversation needs to be had.....and in my opinion Durant is ahead of both of them even in his short career.

Gervin over Nique is a very easy choice for me.

Please, explain. I see them as virtual equals AT BEST for Gervin, but I'm open to some convincing.

[Y2K]

Here is a discussion point:

Where does Robert Parish rank, considering we are about to appoint Kevin McHale to a top 25 spot?

We don't seem to talk about Parish much, but generally talk up McHale to death.

But is there really *that* much of a difference?

McHale was a half-tier to a tier above Parish as a scorer it seems, but most due to volume, as Parish generally scored in the high teens with extreme efficiency, relatively similarily to McHale, especially when you consider their respective ages. In 1989 (no Bird), Parish put up 19 a game on 57 percent shooting to McHale's 23 on 55 percent shooting.

Parish was clearly the superior rebounder, by a non-trivial amount. I would rate them roughly equivalent defensively (in fact, Bird in one of his books said Parish was the "leader of the defense").

Parish has more length to his career. McHale has more general hardware, but I think some of that is due to varying levels of competition at their respective positions.

So what makes McHale *that* much better than Parish for this list?

The fact that McHale was a dominant offense force and Parish was a pretty good offensive player.

[Y2K]

A Gervin/Nique conversation needs to be had.....and in my opinion Durant is ahead of both of them even in his short career.

Gervin over Nique is a very easy choice for me.

Please, explain. I see them as virtual equals AT BEST for Gervin, but I'm open to some convincing.

Efficiency.

[Robceltsfan]

I think McHale is far, far ahead of Parish in the offense department. McHale's stats markedly increased as the #1 option when Bird was down. Parish never warranted a lead dog offensive status, nor did he ever openly show that he could be the leading offensive force on an NBA team.