LeBron failed Wade in 2010, Wade failed LeBron in 2014...

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[Bush4Ever]

Wade has won without Lebron, unfortunately for your argument the opposite cannot be said (yet)

Yes, Wade (with good talent) has won, and Lebron (with modest talent) did not.

Until 2011, Lebron was never in an equivalent situation to what Wade was in 2006.

Like I said, false equivalence.

[rileymartin]

LeBron did shit the bed in the finals in 2011, but his great play in earlier rounds prior to the finals is why they were there.

That nebulous 'teaching how to win' is bullshit by the way. It's a make or miss league and in 2009 if Mo Williams doesn't forget how to shoot against Orlando and if Orlando doesn't go ape shit from 3, the Cavs are in the finals. The margin between the penthouse and the outhouse can be very thin.

Generally speaking, you can absolutely call the NBA a make or miss league. But, in those Finals, LeBron averaged ONLY 15 shots a game. Wade was practically begging LeBron to step it up in that series.

I agree completely with that. LeBron hid from the ball, especially in the fourth for reasons we can only speculate about.

But that is tangential to the argument here.

It is? I actually think it is at the crux of the argument here. LeBron ABSOLUTELY failed Wade in those 2011 finals.

[LookAway]

Generally speaking, you can absolutely call the NBA a make or miss league. But, in those Finals, LeBron averaged ONLY 15 shots a game. Wade was practically begging LeBron to step it up in that series.

Wade should have "taught him to win" before that point though, in fairness. He had several months, and if the lesson is..."attack more and shoot more, faggot"...it doesn't seem like the lesson requires much time at all.

Unless the lesson is pressure moments when it counts. You only get a few of those a season and usually in the playoffs

[rileymartin]

Generally speaking, you can absolutely call the NBA a make or miss league. But, in those Finals, LeBron averaged ONLY 15 shots a game. Wade was practically begging LeBron to step it up in that series.

Wade should have "taught him to win" before that point though, in fairness. He had several months, and if the lesson is..."attack more and shoot more, faggot"...it doesn't seem like the lesson requires much time at all.

You might be right. Wade had to come out that next season and declare "Hey LeBron stupid, this is your fucking team, act like it" Maybe he should have done that sooner.

[rileymartin]

Generally speaking, you can absolutely call the NBA a make or miss league. But, in those Finals, LeBron averaged ONLY 15 shots a game. Wade was practically begging LeBron to step it up in that series.

Wade should have "taught him to win" before that point though, in fairness. He had several months, and if the lesson is..."attack more and shoot more, faggot"...it doesn't seem like the lesson requires much time at all.

Unless the lesson is pressure moments when it counts. You only get a few of those a season and usually in the playoffs

Exactly. Wade can't fix it until he sees what it broke for himself. He watched LeBron curl up in a fetal position in those finals.

[jordanzone]

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[Bush4Ever]

Generally speaking, you can absolutely call the NBA a make or miss league. But, in those Finals, LeBron averaged ONLY 15 shots a game. Wade was practically begging LeBron to step it up in that series.

Wade should have "taught him to win" before that point though, in fairness. He had several months, and if the lesson is..."attack more and shoot more, faggot"...it doesn't seem like the lesson requires much time at all.

Unless the lesson is pressure moments when it counts. You only get a few of those a season and usually in the playoffs

What do you mean?

Wade: "Hey Lebron, if we are down in the last three minutes, drive and attack more, jump shot and pass less."

That doesn't require 3 credit hours of class time to understand intellectually.

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[jordanzone]

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[Da Stars.]

Please cry a little more Riley. We need some more rain.

[Thedictator]

Please cry a little more Riley. We need some more rain.

Criley still crying

[dunkan5rings]

And LeBron quit on Wade and Miami.

[rileymartin]

Please cry a little more Riley. We need some more rain.

How am I crying Porky?

I am simply posting an interesting topic that creates discussion. You should try it sometime.

[vegasfraud]

lol. Wade was terrible vs CHI in the 2011 ecf. LeBron got that team to the Finals...Wade never carried the Heat anywhere in the LeBron era...he was carried.