
Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
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Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?

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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate
I won't disparage Kobe, but even when he was still playing this wasn't a debate. Only the most hardcore homers were ever delusional enough to think Kobe came out ahead. Same vein as the "Bird is better than LeGOAT" retards lol
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate
I never hated Kobe, just his fans.LeBronMonsterDunk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:45 pm I won't disparage Kobe, but even when he was still playing this wasn't a debate. Only the most hardcore homers were ever delusional enough to think Kobe came out ahead. Same vein as the "Bird is better than LeGOAT" retards lol
Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
It was a bad debate that I was on the wrong side of too many times. Peak and career wise, LeBron is better by a really wide margin.
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate
Bird WAS better, fool. There is nothing LeFraud does (or did) on the court that Larry couldn't (or didn't) do... except flop, bulldoze to the basket via the off-arm-shove, whine constantly to the refs, and lose 60% of the time in the Finals.LeBronMonsterDunk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:45 pm I won't disparage Kobe, but even when he was still playing this wasn't a debate. Only the most hardcore homers were ever delusional enough to think Kobe came out ahead. Same vein as the "Bird is better than LeGOAT" retards lol
Yeah sure, your boy played longer (obviously) so "statistically" he's going to look like the better player "on paper", and rank higher on the all-time list (for most people). But head-head as players Legend was every bit the Scorer, a vastly superior Shooter, a much better Rebounder, just as good a Facilitator/Passer, and just as good Defensively (pre-injury)... although LeFraud at his peak (for about a 5-year window) was a bit better than Legend at his best while on the flipsid, Legend always gave the Hustle and Effort even after the crippling injuries... which is something James hasn't done Defensively in about a decade. Legend was also a better Teammate, more Competitive, and more Feared than James ever was.
There really is no debate here: Legend > LeFraud but LeFraud played longer so "check the stats".

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I didn't read any of that, but I already know it proved me correct.
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
At one point in time, it was a legitimate debate. Lebron passed up Kobe once he got to miami and started winning championships. It wasn't the championships themselves. It's that LeBron's game elevated to a level that Kobe never quite touched.

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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
_Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:46 am*Like
Almost no one here ever admits being wrong on anything. Kudos. It's a lesson many never learn. At the end of the day, being right except on a very small list of things, just doesn't matter.
Not that wailua isn't objective, but almost no one here would ever admit to being right about this on the Kobe side. LeBron has run up the scoreboard too brutally, we all know we were wrong.
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Plus LeBron’s a Laker now AND he won a title the year Kobe died… so all is forgiven regardlesskobeunderbite wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:57 pm_Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:46 am*Like
Almost no one here ever admits being wrong on anything. Kudos. It's a lesson many never learn. At the end of the day, being right except on a very small list of things, just doesn't matter.
Not that wailua isn't objective, but almost no one here would ever admit to being right about this on the Kobe side. LeBron has run up the scoreboard too brutally, we all know we were wrong.
Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
It's never was a real debate, Kobe Bryant is a much better basketball player than LeBron.
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
If I have one (1) game to win I'm taking Kobe all day, every day. Kobe lived for "the moment". He craved the opportunity to be "the man" every single night whereas LeFraud prefers to defer to his teammates.
Also, ANY edge (if there even is one) that LeFruad might have on Offense is more than offset by Kobe's superior Defense... and ain't it funny that Defense never seems to matter when it comes to LeFraud.
Wonder why...

"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Tbh I'd take Iverson over lebron anyday, and yes Lenutswingers want no part of anything that makes their hero look bad.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:39 pmIf I have one (1) game to win I'm taking Kobe all day, every day. Kobe lived for "the moment". He craved the opportunity to be "the man" every single night whereas LeFraud prefers to defer to his teammates.
Also, ANY edge (if there even is one) that LeFruad might have on Offense is more than offset by Kobe's superior Defense... and ain't it funny that Defense never seems to matter when it comes to LeFraud.
Wonder why...
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
I can't think of a situation where I would ever bypass Lebron for Kobe.

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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
In that situation, I think a lot of people are taking Kobe. One shot, absolutely.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:39 pmIf I have one (1) game to win I'm taking Kobe all day, every day. Kobe lived for "the moment". He craved the opportunity to be "the man" every single night whereas LeFraud prefers to defer to his teammates.
Also, ANY edge (if there even is one) that LeFruad might have on Offense is more than offset by Kobe's superior Defense... and ain't it funny that Defense never seems to matter when it comes to LeFraud.
Wonder why...
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Re: Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?
I'd say you are a moron and prove it every time you post in any modern NBA discussion, you side with the current thing because you're a simp to modern pop culture._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:40 amTurns out you aren't a moron and don't have an absurd amount of cognitive bias. Others always aren't so fortunate.
You and your phony, self righteous opinions can eat a bag of dicks, take note that I value you alot less than you could ever dream of me, bitchboy.
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You always sound angry.xer0 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 6:44 amI'd say you are a moron and prove it every time you post in any modern NBA discussion, you side with the current thing because you're a simp to modern pop culture._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:40 amTurns out you aren't a moron and don't have an absurd amount of cognitive bias. Others always aren't so fortunate.
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