Rob says Tatum is a top 3 player in the NBA

[Uncontroversial]

these are his playoff stats so far this year

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[Robceltsfan]

Sadmess says Giannis is better than prime Lebron. Here are his stats so far this playoffs:

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[thedangerouskitchen]

Sadmess says Giannis is better than prime Lebron. Here are his stats so far this playoffs:

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It doesn't happen very often but madness is right: Giannis IS better than prime LeFraud:

Giannis 2018 - present: 29/12/6/56% and elite Defense
Prime LeFraud 2008-14: 28/8/7/52% and above-average Defense

Apples-to-apples, 7 year comparison, both players ages 23-29.

Giannis = clearly > prime LeFraud

(PS: Getting it in before bush-league or others: Jordan during the same span, ages 23-29 / 7 years: 33/6/6/52% and GOAT level Defense... so yeah, he was better than prime Giannis and LeFraud.



PSS: Scottie Pippen > Tatum, and if Tatum is a Top 3 player today then this is EASILY the weakest Era ever in NBA history.

[Robceltsfan]

In TEN (10) seasons outside of Giannis's title season, he's won a TOTAL of 4 playoff series. (8 series wins if you include the title)

Tatum has already led the Celtics to 11 playoff series wins in just 7 seasons.

/thread

[Bush4Ever.]

Giannis is definitely better than Tatum.

They both however, are better than Jordan taking into account the quality of era they played in.

Giannis is better than Jordan even if you don't take it into account:

Giannis = elite scoring, elite defense, elite rebounding
Jordan = elite scoring, elite defense (not really, but let's go with it), and below-average rebounding

Pretty simple.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Giannis is definitely better than Tatum.

They both however, are better than Jordan taking into account the quality of era they played in.

Giannis is better than Jordan even if you don't take it into account:

Giannis = elite scoring, elite defense, elite rebounding
Jordan = elite scoring, elite defense (not really, but let's go with it), and below-average rebounding

Pretty simple.

Bush is still stuck on stupid, comparing the Rebounding of a 6'6 Guard to that of a 6'11 PF.



PS:

Offensive Rebounds per game (by far the tougher and more important)
6'11 Forward Giannis: 1.8
6'8 Forward LeFraud: 1.2
6'6 Guard Jordan: 1.6

...and Jordan was grabbing his OR among the trees of Bigs back in the 80's/90's when they all played in/around the paint, making it much, MUCH tougher for a "little guy" to crash the boards.

Walk it off bush...

[thedangerouskitchen]

In TEN (10) seasons outside of Giannis's title season, he's won a TOTAL of 4 playoff series. (8 series wins if you include the title)

Tatum has already led the Celtics to 11 playoff series wins in just 7 seasons.

/thread

Just like a LeTot... ignoring the MOST important criteria: Winning Championships.



PS: Giannis' one (1) Championship >>> Tatum's 11 in 7 with 0 rings.

[Bush4Ever.]

Bush is still stuck on stupid, comparing the Rebounding of a 6'6 Guard to that of a 6'11 PF.

Either Jordan doesn't have elite defense (by the standards of elite big man defensive impact), or he doesn't have elite rebounding (by overall standards, outside position).

Not that complicated to understand, BG.

Either way, Jordan has obvious holes in his game compared to Giannis, which is why Giannis won a title in a situation (no top 30 talent all time) where Jordan didn't win a single playoff series in five seasons of tries.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Bush is still stuck on stupid, comparing the Rebounding of a 6'6 Guard to that of a 6'11 PF.

Irrelevant nonsense.

Sorry bub, but yer still SOS.

Step up your game if you wanna hang with TDK.

[Bush4Ever.]

TDK is still set at "afraid to actual engage because having his arguments dismantled makes him emotionally uncomfortable" mode.

Jordan grabbed 8.8 rebounds per 100 possessions at his peak (89-93). TDK claims Jordan was an "elite rebounder".

That rate would be about 89th in 2024.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... _poss.html

[thedangerouskitchen]

TDK is still set at "afraid to actual engage because having his arguments dismantled makes him emotionally uncomfortable" mode.

Jordan grabbed 8.8 rebounds per 100 possessions at his peak (89-93). TDK claims Jordan was an "elite rebounder".

That rate would be about 89th in 2024.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/le ... _poss.html

Ok, let's set some ground rules bushy... if you're gonna try and hang with TDK the FIRST thing you must do is stop lying.

TDK never said MJ was an elite Rebounder "overall", when compared to C and PF. You lose credibility AND only make yourself look like a fool when you lie.

Of course having said that, Jordan WAS an elite Rebounding "Guard"... and his Offensive Rebounding (by far the most important AND tougher Rebound to secure) was better than LeBron (lol) and right-there with a 6'11 Forward who you said was an elite Rebounder.

KAAAAAPOW!!! Round 1 goes to TDK by a T(D)KO over bush-league, who may never recover.

[Bush4Ever.]

Ok, let's set some ground rules bushy... if you're gonna try and hang with TDK the FIRST thing you must do is stop lying.

TDK never said MJ was an elite Rebounder "overall"

Well you did, but then retracted, but it's okay

But if you agree with that (thank you for finally being honest), the discussion is over, dummy.

Giannis = Elite scoring, defense, and rebounding.

Jordan AT BEST = Elite scoring, defense, and non-elite rebounding.

Thank you for bending the knee and admitting you were wrong.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Ok, let's set some ground rules bushy... if you're gonna try and hang with TDK the FIRST thing you must do is stop lying.

TDK never said MJ was an elite Rebounder "overall"

Well you did, but then retracted, but it's okay

But if you agree with that (thank you for finally being honest), the discussion is over, dummy.

Giannis = Elite scoring, defense, and rebounding.

Jordan AT BEST = Elite scoring, defense, and non-elite rebounding.

Thank you for bending the knee and admitting you were wrong.

Never did I eeeeeeeever say Jordan was an elite Rebounder withOut including the "for a Guard" disclaimer.

Again, stop lying bush-league. It's not a good look for you.



Further, back to my original point: Only a basketball fan with an IQ of 5 would compare overall Rebounding of a Guard to a 6'11 PF.

Round 2 goes to TDK with a thunderous roundhouse right to bushy's cranium.

[Bush4Ever.]

TDK is scrambling majorly bigly.

lmao

Giannis and Tatum are better than Jordan, taking competition into account
Giannis is better than Jordan, period.

[thedangerouskitchen]

TDK is scrambling majorly bigly.

lmao

Giannis and Tatum are better than Jordan, taking competition into account
Giannis is better than Jordan, period.

You're down in the scoring 2 rounds to 0, bush-league... and I gotta tell ya, that sort of drivel ain't helping your cause.

Round 3 to TDK with a stunning upper cut to the jaw of bushy, staggering him to punch-drunk status.

[Bush4Ever.]

Do some more false bravado TDK.

People are *really* fooled by it.

lol

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

TDK is scrambling majorly bigly.

lmao

Giannis and Tatum are better than Jordan, taking competition into account
Giannis is better than Jordan, period.

You're down in the scoring 2 rounds to 0, bush-league... and I gotta tell ya, that sort of drivel ain't helping your cause.

Round 3 to TDK with a stunning upper cut to the jaw of bushy, staggering him to punch-drunk status.

Another similarity to Artie. You claim victory, even when you are getting your shit pushed in. You and Artie are mirror images. Too funny.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Do some more false bravado TDK.

People are *really* fooled by it.

lol

You just got clown-stomped into the turf 3 straight rounds, bushy.... the crippling blow from your Tatum > MJ foolishness, that prompted TDK to finish you off with the vicious upper cut.

Stay down, bush... for your sake don't try to get back up again.


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[thedangerouskitchen]

TDK is scrambling majorly bigly.

lmao

Giannis and Tatum are better than Jordan, taking competition into account
Giannis is better than Jordan, period.

You're down in the scoring 2 rounds to 0, bush-league... and I gotta tell ya, that sort of drivel ain't helping your cause.

Round 3 to TDK with a stunning upper cut to the jaw of bushy, staggering him to punch-drunk status.

Another similarity to Artie. You claim victory, even when you are getting your shit pushed in. You and Artie are mirror images. Too funny.

Yes of course because Tatum and Giannis really are > Jordan.



It's best you sit this one out meatball...

[Bush4Ever.]

Jordan is better than Tatum adjusting for era, sure. Top 2 or arguably Top 1 player of the 1990s vs. someone who is probably in the 10-15 range in 2024...sure. No argument.

But in a vacuum, Tatum (and about 15 modern guys or so) are better than Jordan.

Tatum led his team to the Finals without a top 30 player on roster.
Jordan couldn't even make it out of R1 in a similar position.