Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
All I see in that photo are Jordan Farmar’s ears
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
Fans generally ignore the defensive side of the court with narratives like this.
In reality, the Lakers without Kobe on the floor were -0.6 points per 100 possessions in 2009 and -3.6 in 2010.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL4.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL5.HTM#onoff
For a frame of reference, the Heat without Lebron on the floor were -3.4 pts per 100 possessions in 2012 and -2.3 in 2013.
http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIA8.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIA9.HTM#onoff
This happened to some degree with Lebron's Cleveland teams during his first tenure, where fans would hyper focus on offense without considering the idea his teammates were generally solid or better defensively. For example, the Lebronless Cavs were only -2.7 points/100 possessions in 2007 largely on the back of good defense.
In reality, the Lakers without Kobe on the floor were -0.6 points per 100 possessions in 2009 and -3.6 in 2010.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL4.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL5.HTM#onoff
For a frame of reference, the Heat without Lebron on the floor were -3.4 pts per 100 possessions in 2012 and -2.3 in 2013.
http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIA8.HTM#onoff
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIA9.HTM#onoff
This happened to some degree with Lebron's Cleveland teams during his first tenure, where fans would hyper focus on offense without considering the idea his teammates were generally solid or better defensively. For example, the Lebronless Cavs were only -2.7 points/100 possessions in 2007 largely on the back of good defense.
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
Hard to believe Adam Morrison has more rings than 17 current franchises. And he only played three seasons.
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
I have him 10th....and dropping.
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
I’ve always had him in my top 5, but I’m perfectly willing to reconsider to move him into top 3.
1 - Kobe
2 - Lebron
3 - Michael
1 - Kobe
2 - Lebron
3 - Michael
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lettherebehouse wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:03 pm I’ve always had him in my top 5, but I’m perfectly willing to reconsider to move him into top 3.
1 - Kobe
2 - Lebron
3 - Michael
That's not unfair. If Bynum, Ariza and Malone were healthy, Kobe is walking around with 7+ rings, 4 Finals MVP and GOAT status, unironically.
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Re: Is it time to reconsider Kobe Bryant's legacy? Is he top-5 all-time?
Dirk and Giannis also won with bums, but Kobe did it twice in very few seasons/attempts without shaq while in his prime
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