That was a quick-ending "GOAT" claim for Brady

[Bush4Ever.]

There's no argument left for him now beyond things that are completely correlated to tenure.

Mahomes is better to the eye test, better statistically, currently at a more rapid and relevant winning pace, all with less supporting talent and *way* fewer cheating scandals.

With Lebron and Jordan, Jordan at least peaked slightly higher than Lebron, or if you think Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron has more accumulation but is at least in striking range of peak/prime value.

Not the case with this comparison. It's a clean and dominant sweep for Mahomes in every relevant category.

This is not intended to disparage Brady, because his ability to throw screen passes and fit the ball into ten yard open windows has only been matched by a few hundred QBs in football history. But when you zoom out and look at the general population, Brady is still in a super elite class.

[Titan18]

At least he was GOAT for 6-8 years.

Unlike Drew Freeze, who was never the best QB in any given year.

Choking purdue faggot

[Bush4Ever.]

This thread literally has nothing to do with Drew Brees.

Control your autism(s) and focus on the topic.

Now that Brady is a consensus "not number one", wherever you rate him, I can be a little bit more honest and tell you all how impressed I was watching him throw those five yard slants with no defender within a ten yard radius.

His ability to stand upright (or sit) while his defenses won games illustrated the heart and determination of a champion as well.

[Titan18]

Calm down Bush. You don’t need to be that angry that Drew Freeze was an epic failure year in and year out

[Bush4Ever.]

I'm fine admitting Brees, like Brady is outside the GOAT conversation at the present time.

The goings on right now will be the litmus test to separate the Brady Bots from Brady fans who can be objective, even within their fandom (generic Patriots fans who were fans pre-Brady for example).

ANYONE still claiming Brady at the GOAT fails said litmus test.

2nd on down...fine we can have that discussion. But first? No. That's over and done.

For those who fail the litmus test...we have to start questioning motives. Is racism a factor? It might be (it is).

[Uncontroversial]

Mahomes by age 28 in football is way more impressive than Lebron by age 28 at basketball

[kobeunderbite]

Doesn't he need at least a couple more rangs for this to be official?

[kobeunderbite]

Mahomes by age 28 in football is way more impressive than Lebron by age 28 at basketball

Isn't he more impressive than like every athlete in their respective sport at 28? Jordan had 0 rings at 28 lol

[Uncontroversial]

The big asterisk is that the previous game was obviously rigged to get Taylor to the Superbowl. Chiefs got outplayed, Mahomes shit the bed, but the refs pushed them through

[Bush4Ever.]

Ring counts and similar things matter when the eye test, statistics, etc...are in the same universe (ala Lebron vs. Jordan in basketball).

That's not the case here.

[Uncontroversial]

[CleveTown™]

Mahomes did nothing that was special this game.

Brady still the GOAT and still far from being taken down .

[Uncontroversial]

[Odogg]

OP needs an eye test.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Ring counts and similar things matter when the eye test, statistics, etc...are in the same universe (ala Lebron vs. Jordan in basketball).

That's not the case here.

"Statistics" might be in the same universe, but the 'eye test' confirms MJ was vastly superior to LeBron... better handles, better footwork, better hops, quicker off the dribble (going right OR left), much better body-control, much better finisher, more Clutch, much more versatile Scorer, vastly superior Defender, better Offensive Rebounder, better Rebounder overall (ie; pound-for-pound), etc... and Jordan's Passing skills were also elite; he just didn't pass as often because Mike was the GOAT Scorer first, where as LeBron preferred to defer to less-talented teammates.

Anyway, I digress... back to the Brady/Mahomes discussion (although I'd still take Montana over either one of them when you factor in the respective Eras they all three played).

[AlaskaHawks]

Shocked the team with 2 phizer vaccine shills as their headpiece won.

At least Mahomes ring count now matches his dad's DUI count.

[Bush4Ever.]

What football skill/output does Brady do better than Mahomes?

*tumbleweed*

[CleveTown™]

What football skill/output does Brady do better than Mahomes?

*tumbleweed*

Win. Better athlete doesnt mean better QB.

[Shill Jackson]

Some GOAT level trolls on the stream

[Bush4Ever.]

Win. Better athlete doesnt mean better QB.

So Robert Horry is better than almost any other NBA player ever, right?

Come on. We have to advance the discussion at some point, right?

At some point, production and skills have to matter.

I understand a White QB being displaced by a non-White QB upsets people, but facts are facts.