vcsgrizzfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:06 pm
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:13 pm
vcsgrizzfan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:58 am
Shaq belongs to the 2000s dude. Sorry. If you don't think LeBron and Curry are better than anyone from the 90s not named Jordan or Hakeem, you're an idiot. And in LeBron's case, the only debate from that decade is MJ. He clearly is above Hakeem. So are the other guys I mentioned with the possible exception of Booker, who I think is one of the most underrated players in the Association. Only Hakeem and MJ best those guys.
Part of intelligence is recognizing cognitive biases and adjusting accordingly. You have massive cognitive bias on every subject and no ability to adjust. It is why pretty much the entire board thinks you're a dope.
From the 90s, we have one top 10 player and arguably no one else in the top 15-20 all time. Currently in the NBA, we have LeBron, KD, Curry and several others that will end up ranking higher than anyone not named MJ or Hakeem when the dust all settles.
It always cracks me up when grizz talks about cognitive bias, and then insists that Bill Russell is the GOAT.
Anyway... as noted, if you think LeCommie TODAY is better than any player from the 90's (aside from MJ and Dream), I repeat: You're just plain dumb.
Steph? Yeah, fantastic shooter (probably the GOAT shooter) BUT not much else... basically his era's version of Reggie, Richmond or Mullin.
Give me 90's MJ, Shaq, Dream, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Pippen, Drexler, Stockton, and Ewing all day and every day against the 10 best players today... the 90's was a tougher/more physical era, much more Defensive oriented, and a mix of slower half-court ball (mid-late 90's) with faster more run-gun paced (of the early-mid 90's) which meant the players had to adapt to both styles of play AND be versatile/balanced enough to play inside and outside on Offense AND bring it on Defense every night AND be willing to get physically beat up every night... not merely run up and down the court without touching a defender's jersey, chucking 3-pointers 40%-50% of the time, like they do today.
Fact.
Who said anything about today you freaking retard? If you understood what cognitive bias means (you aren't too bright), you would understand that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to have a cognitive bias towards Bill Russell. That makes zero sense.
This is a pointless argument (as pretty much all arguments are with you) but there is no chance the best 12 from the 90s beats the best 12 of the last decade. None.
I did, meatball... in the very first post that YOU replied to.
...and of course if we're playing today's rules/style then today's players would win. Duh... use the rules/style of the game from the 90's and today's players would lose 100 out of 100 times.
The 90's weren't the 50's / 60's you know (when your "GOAT" Russell played - lol)... back when a 40%-45% shooter was considered elite, when zero Defense was played, and when 99% of the league couldn't dribble with their off hand.
Today's players wouldn't even know how to execute their Offense if the Defense was allowed to grab, hold and push them around without a foul called. Today's players would get eviscerated in the paint/post by the likes of Shaq, Ewing, Mourning, Robinson, Mutombo, Dream, etc. Today's players aren't versatile enough to face a physical half-court oriented team one night then play a fast-paced, run/gun style team the next night. Today's players would drown in their own river of tears if they had to endure dozens of players like the one (1) guy today (Draymond Green), who would do anything to get inside their heads and screw with them mentally.
Today's game is a free-flowing, zero contact, one-dimensional game RELATIVE to what the NBA was like in the 90's, where you had to be much tougher, physical, adaptable and versatile in order to succeed. Today, all you have to do is make a 3-pointer.
Perhaps your old age is causing you to lose a grip on that fact?
