East playoff seedings

[Kingcarl24]

As a highly respected member of this board whose opinion most all of us respect, I wish you would. Please give us your take on the Magic for next season.

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

Seems to be a near consensus that there are only a handful of "locks" for the playoffs in the east, and a few locks for not making the playoffs (Nets and Sixers) and then it's a dogs breakfast.

To me the Cavs, Raps, Celtics and the Pacers are locks for the playoff in the East. After that, it's anyone's game. I mean we're totally discounting the Wizards but Wall and Beal could suddenly be healthy and absolutely start clicking again.

[AlaskaHawks]

As a highly respected member of this board whose opinion most all of us respect, I wish you would. Please give us your take on the Magic for next season.

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

Seems to be a near consensus that there are only a handful of "locks" for the playoffs in the east, and a few locks for not making the playoffs (Nets and Sixers) and then it's a dogs breakfast.

Don't be a phuckin' retard.

76rs to the ship.

[3effs]

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I'm still upset that they kept Mularkey.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

Seems to be a near consensus that there are only a handful of "locks" for the playoffs in the east, and a few locks for not making the playoffs (Nets and Sixers) and then it's a dogs breakfast.

Don't be a phuckin' retard.

76rs to the ship.

Yur fat

[AlaskaHawks]

Seems to be a near consensus that there are only a handful of "locks" for the playoffs in the east, and a few locks for not making the playoffs (Nets and Sixers) and then it's a dogs breakfast.

Don't be a phuckin' retard.

76rs to the ship.

Yur fat

I can do 5,000 pushups and run 55 miles every other day.

I'm not fat, it's all muscle actually.

[elartman1973]

Did I comment on the Magic?

As a highly respected member of this board whose opinion most all of us respect, I wish you would. Please give us your take on the Magic for next season.

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

[Kingcarl24]

As a highly respected member of this board whose opinion most all of us respect, I wish you would. Please give us your take on the Magic for next season.

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Payton isn't a great offensive weapon. He can distribute but who is he distributing to that can score. Fornier can score... sometimes. Ibaka isn't creating his own offense and Gordon doesn't have a great outside game. Biyombo isn't out there for his offense. I like the defensive nature of all 4 of those players but they don't have anyone that can put the ball in the hoop.

[rileymartin]

As a highly respected member of this board whose opinion most all of us respect, I wish you would. Please give us your take on the Magic for next season.

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Who are the two 20ppg scorers?

[elartman1973]

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Payton isn't a great offensive weapon. He can distribute but who is he distributing to that can score. Fornier can score... sometimes. Ibaka isn't creating his own offense and Gordon doesn't have a great outside game. Biyombo isn't out there for his offense. I like the defensive nature of all 4 of those players but they don't have anyone that can put the ball in the hoop.

Fournier can get his own shot and is very efficient and reliable and nice to pretend vucevic isnt on the team and cant score at a high level..ibaka can score..gordon can score a lot better than you think and can hit outside shots...payton will be getting in the paint a lot easier now and he can finish there at a high % and he is a great distributer...
Magic have two potential and most likely 20ppg scorers in the starting five and gordon will be averagkng between 15-18 ppg, payton 12 ppg ibaka 12-15 ppg and the bench is full of scoring options too....offense will not be an issue and stop acting like you are wiser than the gm who did a this legwork already


Stop with the blind assumptions already...they have plenty of scoringnon the team its a balanced scoring attack like last year...and will be better than mast year on offense...stop vastly overrating oladipks 15 ppg like we all of a sudden have no chance of scoring since teading him

Smfh

[elartman1973]

I think the same as the rest of you. They are a fringe playoff team in the East. If they make the playoffs, they'll be right around the 8th seed but really no higher. There are a lot of new pieces in Orlando and none of them are dramatic game changers. I like the idea of a defensive front court that has Biyombo, Ibaka, and Gordon all playing together but man those three will struggle to score. Especially if Payton is running the point. There is a bit of a log jam in the front court which makes me wonder if Vucevic is gone. They could probably pick up someone pretty decent for him.

Vogel is a good coach which means this team could come along nicely but it will take time. Right now if I had to predict the east it would look something like...

Cavs
Raptors
Celtics
Pacers
Hornets
Pistons
Bulls
Knicks

The Hawks, Magic, and Bucks will fight for that 8th seed with the Knicks.

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Who are the two 20ppg scorers?

Fournier and vucevic will average around 20 ppg or more...and thats not even exagerrating its wuite likely and not at all out of the ordinary...especially now

[rileymartin]

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Who are the two 20ppg scorers?

Fournier and vucevic will average around 20 ppg or more...and thats not even exagerrating

LOL, since when?

[elartman1973]

Who are the two 20ppg scorers?

Fournier and vucevic will average around 20 ppg or more...and thats not even exagerrating

LOL, since when?

Are you really this clueless????
Fournier can easily average that and has steadily improved his scoring every season so far and next year is no different...he was at 19ppg a lot of last season...vucevic has already averaged that much before so that makes you a fucking moron for even questioning it...only reason he didnt last year was because the scoring was far more balanced and he didnt need to score that much...
So yes..two 20 ppg scorers...heat have none

[rileymartin]

Fournier and vucevic will average around 20 ppg or more...and thats not even exagerrating

LOL, since when?

Are you really this clueless????
Fournier can easily average that and had imlroved his scoring every season so far and nedt year is no different...he was at 19ppg a lot of last season...vucevic has ready averaged that much before so that makes you a fucking moron for even questioning it...only reason he didnt last year was because the scoring was far more balanced and he didnt need to score that much...
So yes..two 0 ppg scorers...heat have none

Bolded is a 100% lie.

And...this is what you said.."and we have two 20ppg starters already" which is another complete lie.

[Kingcarl24]

What do you mean "especially if . Payton runs the point?#
Payton is a great distributer and fan run the offense pretty damn well....and we have two 20ppg starters already and gordon will be scoring a lot more too...magic actually added a lot of ofrense to go with the defense...46wins

Payton isn't a great offensive weapon. He can distribute but who is he distributing to that can score. Fornier can score... sometimes. Ibaka isn't creating his own offense and Gordon doesn't have a great outside game. Biyombo isn't out there for his offense. I like the defensive nature of all 4 of those players but they don't have anyone that can put the ball in the hoop.

Fournier can get his own shot and is very efficient and reliable and nice to pretend vucevic isnt on the team and cant score at a high level..ibaka can score..gordon can score a lot better than you think and can hit outside shots...payton will be getting in the paint a lot easier now and he can finish there at a high % and he is a great distributer...
Magic have two potential and most likely 20ppg scorers in the starting five and gordon will be averagkng between 15-18 ppg, payton 12 ppg ibaka 12-15 ppg and the bench is full of scoring options too....offense will not be an issue and stop acting like you are wiser than the gm who did a this legwork already


Stop with the blind assumptions already...they have plenty of scoringnon the team its a balanced scoring attack like last year...and will be better than mast year on offense...stop vastly overrating oladipks 15 ppg like we all of a sudden have no chance of scoring since teading him

Smfh

Just stop already. Seriously. It makes you look really stupid.

Everything I've bolded is a blind assumption. Why is it ok for you to make blind assumptions and not us? You don't have an insider view to the Magic. There is nothing happening in Orlando that everyone who has access to the internet isn't privy to.

I'm not ignoring Vucevic. We were talking about playing Ibaka, Biyombo, and Gordon. I said I like that group from a defensive stand point but if they were asked to score, they would struggle. Then I said if you added Payton, you'd have one less player that could score. Vucevic is a great player but bringing in Ibaka and Biyombo does create a log jam in the front court which is why I was wondering if they'd move Vucevic.

[AbeVigodaLive]

LOL, since when?

Are you really this clueless????
Fournier can easily average that and had imlroved his scoring every season so far and nedt year is no different...he was at 19ppg a lot of last season...vucevic has ready averaged that much before so that makes you a fucking moron for even questioning it...only reason he didnt last year was because the scoring was far more balanced and he didnt need to score that much...
So yes..two 0 ppg scorers...heat have none

Bolded is a 100% lie.

And...this is what you said.."and we have two 20ppg starters already" which is another complete lie.

I proved Arty was wrong about Fournier's stats about a week ago.

He was off by a ridiculous amount. Of course, that's when he ends up in "shut up, i no more than you cuz you dumby" mode.

[elartman1973]

Payton isn't a great offensive weapon. He can distribute but who is he distributing to that can score. Fornier can score... sometimes. Ibaka isn't creating his own offense and Gordon doesn't have a great outside game. Biyombo isn't out there for his offense. I like the defensive nature of all 4 of those players but they don't have anyone that can put the ball in the hoop.

Fournier can get his own shot and is very efficient and reliable and nice to pretend vucevic isnt on the team and cant score at a high level..ibaka can score..gordon can score a lot better than you think and can hit outside shots...payton will be getting in the paint a lot easier now and he can finish there at a high % and he is a great distributer...
Magic have two potential and most likely 20ppg scorers in the starting five and gordon will be averagkng between 15-18 ppg, payton 12 ppg ibaka 12-15 ppg and the bench is full of scoring options too....offense will not be an issue and stop acting like you are wiser than the gm who did a this legwork already


Stop with the blind assumptions already...they have plenty of scoringnon the team its a balanced scoring attack like last year...and will be better than mast year on offense...stop vastly overrating oladipks 15 ppg like we all of a sudden have no chance of scoring since teading him

Smfh

Just stop already. Seriously. It makes you look really stupid.

Everything I've bolded is a blind assumption. Why is it ok for you to make blind assumptions and not us? You don't have an insider view to the Magic. There is nothing happening in Orlando that everyone who has access to the internet isn't privy to.

I'm not ignoring Vucevic. We were talking about playing Ibaka, Biyombo, and Gordon. I said I like that group from a defensive stand point but if they were asked to score, they would struggle. Then I said if you added Payton, you'd have one less player that could score. Vucevic is a great player but bringing in Ibaka and Biyombo does create a log jam in the front court which is why I was wondering if they'd move Vucevic.

Why would vogel put a group on the floor that cant score? And they can all score by the way..payton is excellent at setting up teammates a d getting in the paint ...you act as if training camp and preseason dont exist and coaching staffs arent wise to lineups steengths and weaknesses...magic are more versatile now than theyve ever been...scoring wont be a problem but keep desperately pushing your skewed angle a d.lineuls that wont happen just to support your bad argument

[elartman1973]

Are you really this clueless????
Fournier can easily average that and had imlroved his scoring every season so far and nedt year is no different...he was at 19ppg a lot of last season...vucevic has ready averaged that much before so that makes you a fucking moron for even questioning it...only reason he didnt last year was because the scoring was far more balanced and he didnt need to score that much...
So yes..two 0 ppg scorers...heat have none

Bolded is a 100% lie.

And...this is what you said.."and we have two 20ppg starters already" which is another complete lie.

I proved Arty was wrong about Fournier's stats about a week ago.

He was off by a ridiculous amount. Of course, that's when he ends up "shut up, i no more than you cuz you dumby" mode.

Fournier and vucevic will both be around 20ppg next season...this isnt ridiculous at all a d extremely more likely than not and yes vucevic HAS averaged that before

[AbeVigodaLive]

Bolded is a 100% lie.

And...this is what you said.."and we have two 20ppg starters already" which is another complete lie.

I proved Arty was wrong about Fournier's stats about a week ago.

He was off by a ridiculous amount. Of course, that's when he ends up "shut up, i no more than you cuz you dumby" mode.

Fournier and vucevic will both be around 20ppg next season...this isnt ridiculous at all a d extremely more likely than not

Meh. Don't care.
That doesn't change that I made you look foolish last week with your silly "Fournier did better without Oladipo" take.

[elartman1973]

I proved Arty was wrong about Fournier's stats about a week ago.

He was off by a ridiculous amount. Of course, that's when he ends up "shut up, i no more than you cuz you dumby" mode.

Fournier and vucevic will both be around 20ppg next season...this isnt ridiculous at all a d extremely more likely than not

Meh. Don't care.
That doesn't change that I made you look foolish last week with your silly "Fournier did better without Oladipo" take.

Fournier will be better without oladipo than he was with him next sason....donyou really want to argue that?
You know you will lose...

[AbeVigodaLive]

Fournier and vucevic will both be around 20ppg next season...this isnt ridiculous at all a d extremely more likely than not

Meh. Don't care.
That doesn't change that I made you look foolish last week with your silly "Fournier did better without Oladipo" take.

Fournier will be better without oladipo than he was with him next sason....donyou really want to argue that?
You know you will lose...

That wasn't your argument, flapjacks. You claimed he was better without Oladipo last season.