Better career stats? Kareem or Jordan?

[paskeezy3000]

Until someone can replicate everything Jordan has done from an individual perspective, there is no hater who has a pot to piss on, a leg to stand on.


Another thing to point out, Jordan never once a had a dominant BIG to win ANY of his 6 titles. In an era with all time great centers. Thats insane in itself.

Jordan is the universal hands down GOAT for a reason. Not Kareem. Not Kobe. Not Lebron. Not Russell.

Simply because no one was as dominant as Jordan between the regular season/Post season. No one has the individual accolades Jordan has

That's not true though sooooo...... Yeah.

[town bidness]

10 scoring titles
6 FMVP with 6'ships UNDEFEATED in the finals
30.1 ppg career regular season record
33 pppg career post season numbers Most DOMINANT numbers ever (While Kareem's post season numbers are a drop in the toilet bowl next to that)
5 regular season MVPs
DPOY


Thats all I need to rationalize. Those are the FACTS. Jordan is GOAT. No one is close

scoring titles? mvps? lol.

do you really think only making it to 6 finals in a tepid era devoid of any other great teams besides the bulls is a virtue?

dpoy? so you must think jordan was a better defender than pippen right?

seriously answer those questions before we go any further.

dpoy? so you must think jordan was a better defender than pippen right?

MJ was great on smaller, quick guards like Isiah Thomas, Kevin Johnson. That's why it was almost shocking when AI crossed over on MJ (who still almost blocked AI's shot). MJ was great in the passing lanes and help defense also.

Both were great defenders though.

jordan was not a better defender than pippen, dpoy be damned and jordan was amidst a miserable sg field most of his career.

[Deez]

How many finals MVPs does Kareem have? Must have more than 6 the way laker fans talk. I mean after all that's what counts most.

[town bidness]

The tepid era is the East now.....followed closely by the West of Magic and Kareem.

lol

what excuse does jordan have for only getting to the finals 6 times? magic practically spent his entire career in the finals with AND without kareem. even kobe made more finals with a juggernaut in the same conference.

kareem took the big o in his last year to the promised land. jordan on the other hand... didnt do so well without the dpoy-less pippen did he?

#1 all time points leader, #3 all time rebounds and blocks. more all star games, more all defensive teams, #1 all time playoff blocks, #2 all time playoff points, #4 all time playoff rebounds and is the first player to play 20 years, more finals, bring rings to EVERY team he played for going back to hs and is the god of hs ball, college basketball and the nba.

jordan will always have hanes commercial and mass appeal. kareem didnt ingratiate himself to the fans or media so he isnt viewed as favorably but who cares about that but airheads and moron sports writers?

pick a standard. is it success? kareem got jordan. stats? kareem is the greatest at what he did best during his time... hoisting up shots.

He'd at least be #2 in blocks if they kept track of them his first 4 years in the league (thanks Havlicek)

true indeed.

[DorianRo]

Michael Jordan Regular Season Stats (bold indicates led NBA for seasons.

1984-85: 28/7/6/2/1 on 52/17 (9-52)/85. 25.8 PER
1985-86: (18 games, 25 MPG) 23/4/3/2/1 on 46/17 (3-18)/84. 27.5 PER
1986-87: 37/5/5/3/2 on 48/18 (12-66)/86. 29.8 PER
1987-88: 35/6/6/3/2 on 54/13 (7-53)/84. 31.7 PER
1988-89: 33/8/8/3/1 on 54/28/85. 31.1 PER
1989-90: 34/7/6/3/1 on 53/38/85. 31.2 PER
1990-91: 32/6/6/3/1 on 54/31/85. 31.6 PER
1991-92: 30/6/6/2/1 on 52/27/83. 27.7 PER
1992-93: 33/7/6/3/1 on 50/35/84. 29.7 PER
1994-95: (17 games) 27/7/5/2/1 on 41/50/80. 22.1 PER
1995-96: 30/6/4/2/1 on 50/43/83. 29.4 PER
1996-97: 30/6/4/2/1 on 49/37/83. 27.8 PER
1997-98: 29/6/4/2/1 on 47/24/78. 25.2 PER
2001-02: 23/6/5/1/0 on 42/19/79. 20.8 PER
2002-03: 20/6/4/2/1 on 45/29/82. 19.3 PER
Career Regular Season Stats: 30/6/5/2/1 on 50/33/84. 27.9 PER



Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Regular Season Stats
*Dark green indicates Bucks, Purple indicates Lakers
1969-70: 29/15/4 on 52% FG and 65% FT. 22.5 PER
1970-71: 32/16/3 on 58% FG and 69% FT. 29.0 PER
1971-72: 35/17/5 on 57% FG and 69% FT. 29.9 PER
1972-73: 30/16/5 on 55% FG and 71% FT. 28.5 PER
1973-74 (blocks and steals now recorded): 27/15/5/1/4 on 54% FG and 70% FT. 24.4 PER
1974-75: 30/14/4/1/3 on 51% FG and 76% FT. 26.4 PER
1975-76: 28/17/5/2/4 on 53% FG and 70% FT. 27.2 PER
1976-77: 26/13/4/1/3 on 58% FG and 70% FT. 27.8 PER
1977-78: 26/13/4/2/3 on 55% FG and 78% FT. 29.2 PER
1978-79: 24/13/5/1/4 on 58% FG and 74% FT. 25.5 PER
1979-80: 25/11/5/1/3 on 60% FG and 77% FT. 25.3 PER
1980-81: 26/10/3/1/3 on 57% FG and 77% FT. 25.5 PER
1981-82: 24/9/3/1/3 on 58% FG and 71% FT. 23.4 PER
1982-83: (32 MPG) 22/8/3/1/2 on 59% FG and 75% FT. 23.6 PER
1983-84: 22/7/3/1/2 on 58% FG and 72% FT. 21.3 PER
1984-85: 22/8/3/1/2 on 60% FG and 73% FT. 22.9 PER
1985-86: 23/6/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 77% FT. 22.7 PER
1986-87: (31 MPG) 18/7/3/1/1 on 56% FG and 71% FT. 17.9 PER
1987-88: (29 MPG) 15/6/2/1/1 on 53% FG and 76% FT. 15.8 PER
1988-89: (23 MPG) 10/5/1/1/1 on 48% FG and 74% FT. 12.9 PER
Career Regular Season Stats: 25/11/4/1/3 on 56% FG and 72% FT. 24.6 PER





Michael Jordan Playoff Stats
1984-85: 4 games, 29/6/9/3/1 on 44/13/83. 24.7 PER
1985-86: 3 games, 44/6/6/2/1 on 51/100 (1-1)/87. 30.1 PER
1986-87: 3 games, 36/7/6/2/2 on 42/40/90. 28.1 PER
1987-88: 10 games, 36/7/5/2/1 on 53/33 (1-3)/87. 28.4 PER
1988-89: 17 games, 35/7/8/2/1 on 51/29/80. 29.9 PER
1989-90: 16 games, 37/7/7/3/1 on 51/32/84. 31.6 PER
1990-91: 17 games, 31/6/8/2/1 on 52/39/85. 32.0 PER
1991-92: 22 games, 35/6/6/2/1 on 50/39/86. 27.2 PER
1992-93: 19 games, 35/7/6/2/1 on 48/39/81. 30.1 PER
1994-95: 10 games, 32/7/5/2/1 on 48/37/81. 24.8 PER
1995-96: 18 games, 31/5/4/2/0 on 46/40/82. 26.7 PER
1996-97: 19 games, 31/8/5/2/1 on 46/19/83. 27.1 PER
1997-98: 21 games, 32/5/4/2/1 on 46/30/81. 28.1 PER
Career Playoff Stats: 33/6/6/2/1 on 49/33/83. 28.6 PER


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Playoff Stats
1969-70: 10 games, 35/17/4 on 57% FG and 73% FT. 29.4 PER
1970-71: 14 games, 27/17/3 on 52% FG and 67% FT. 25.3 PER
1971-72: 11 games, 29/18/5 on 44% FG and 70% FT. 22.4 PER
1972-73: 6 games, 23/16/3 on 43% FG and 54% FT. 17.7 PER
1973-74: 16 games, 32/16/5/1/2 on 56% FG and 74% FT. 28.3 PER
1976-77: 11 games, 35/18/4/2/3 on 61% FG and 73% FT. 32.4 PER
1977-78: 3 games, 27/14/4/1/4 on 52% FG and 56% FT. 21.9 PER
1978-79: 8 games, 29/13/5/1/4 on 58% FG and 84% FT. 26.5 PER
1979-80: 15 games, 32/12/3/1/4 on 57% FG and 79% FT. 27.9 PER
1980-81: 3 games, 27/17/4/1/3 on 46% FG and 71% FT. 22.4 PER
1981-82: 14 games, 20/9/4/1/3 on 52% FG and 63% FT. 20.1 PER
1982-83: 15 games, 27/8/3/1/4 on 57% FG and 76% FT. 22.8 PER
1983-84: 21 games, 24/8/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 75% FT. 24.0 PER
1984-85: 19 games (32 MPG), 22/8/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 78% FT. 22.1 PER
1985-86: 14 games, 26/6/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 79% FT. 21.2 PER
1986-87: 18 games (31 MPG), 19/7/2/0/2 on 53% FG and 80% FT. 19.4 PER
1987-88: 24 games (30 MPG), 14/6/2/1/2 on 46% FG and 79% FT. 13.8 PER
1988-89: 15 games (23 MPG), 11/4/1/0/1 on 46% FG and 72% FT. 11.9 PER
Career Playoff Stats: 24/11/3/1/2 on 53% FG and 74% FT. 23.0 PER


ROFLMAO. FAIL for the haters

[Da Stars.]

The 70's were a much weaker decade than the 80's or 90's. I find it odd in Kareems greatness he did fucking nothing after the retirement of Robertson. Nothing until teaming up with Magic. And if any of you Jordan haters want to tell me Pippen was better than either Magic or Oscar. You need to find a new sport to follow.

[DorianRo]

Kareem couldn't do shit without an all time great perimeter player.

Yea. Jordan had Pippen, but he molded Pippen and pippen sure as hell wasn't better than Oscar and Magic. Jordan also never ONCE had a all time GOAT-like BIG down low in any of his runs during an era with some all time great BIGs

While Kareem couldn't win jack without a perimeter GOAT

[thedangerouskitchen]

Let's compare.

Player A = Kareem (first 15 seasons)
Player B = Jordan ( 15 year career)

Player A: Minutes Played: 39.1
Player B: Minutes Played: 38.3

Player A: FG/FGA: 11.1/19.8 FG%: .560
Player B: FG/FGA: 11.4/22.9 FG%: .497

Player A: FT/FTA: 4.7/6.6 FT%: .717
Player B: FT/FTA: 6.8/8.2 FT%: .835

Player A: Total Rebounds: 12.8
Player B: Total Rebounds: 6.2

Player A: Assists: 4
Player B: Assists: 5.3

Player A: Steals: 1.1
Player B: Steals: 2.3

Player A: Turnovers: 3.1
Player B: Turnovers: 2.7

Player A: Blocks: 3.1
Player B: Blocks: .8

Player A: Points: 26.9
Player B: Points: 30.1

You said better "career" stats yet you left off Jabbar's last 5 years?

Hmmm

[paskeezy3000]

How many finals MVPs does Kareem have? Must have more than 6 the way laker fans talk. I mean after all that's what counts most.

Haha magic has a finals MVP due to one game. Big game James has a finals MVP. You Jordan nut huggers overrate finals MVPs. If your name is Michael Jordan (the most hyped player in history) if your team wins the finals (one whole series against a scrub team), you win the finals MVP.

[Repeat3peat]

Kareem is the Greatest big to ever play the game IMO......When you are completely reliant upon others to get you the ball in position to score and are unable to handle the ball well enough to keep an average 12 year old from picking your shit clean........That's where it ends, you are ELIMINATED from any GOAT "player" discussion.

#theend.

[paskeezy3000]

Let's compare.

Player A = Kareem (first 15 seasons)
Player B = Jordan ( 15 year career)

Player A: Minutes Played: 39.1
Player B: Minutes Played: 38.3

Player A: FG/FGA: 11.1/19.8 FG%: .560
Player B: FG/FGA: 11.4/22.9 FG%: .497

Player A: FT/FTA: 4.7/6.6 FT%: .717
Player B: FT/FTA: 6.8/8.2 FT%: .835

Player A: Total Rebounds: 12.8
Player B: Total Rebounds: 6.2

Player A: Assists: 4
Player B: Assists: 5.3

Player A: Steals: 1.1
Player B: Steals: 2.3

Player A: Turnovers: 3.1
Player B: Turnovers: 2.7

Player A: Blocks: 3.1
Player B: Blocks: .8

Player A: Points: 26.9
Player B: Points: 30.1

You said better "career" stats yet you left off Jabbar's last 5 years?

Hmmm

15 years and 15 years. Kareem shouldn't be penalized because Jordan was a quitter and/or couldn't play more years.

[Da Stars.]

If KAJ was so great why nothing between Oscar and Magic. Gotta hear this one.

[Shill Jackson]

How many finals MVPs does Kareem have? Must have more than 6 the way laker fans talk. I mean after all that's what counts most.

I don't believe anybody but you has brought them up.
He was the MVP of a watered-down league

[Shill Jackson]

If KAJ was so great why nothing between Oscar and Magic. Gotta hear this one.

If Jordan was so great, why nothing with the Wizards?

[town bidness]

Michael Jordan Regular Season Stats (bold indicates led NBA for seasons. Bold indicates all-time record for Career)

1984-85: 28/7/6/2/1 on 52/17 (9-52)/85. 25.8 PER
1985-86: (18 games, 25 MPG) 23/4/3/2/1 on 46/17 (3-18)/84. 27.5 PER
1986-87: 37/5/5/3/2 on 48/18 (12-66)/86. 29.8 PER
1987-88: 35/6/6/3/2 on 54/13 (7-53)/84. 31.7 PER
1988-89: 33/8/8/3/1 on 54/28/85. 31.1 PER
1989-90: 34/7/6/3/1 on 53/38/85. 31.2 PER
1990-91: 32/6/6/3/1 on 54/31/85. 31.6 PER
1991-92: 30/6/6/2/1 on 52/27/83. 27.7 PER
1992-93: 33/7/6/3/1 on 50/35/84. 29.7 PER
1994-95: (17 games) 27/7/5/2/1 on 41/50/80. 22.1 PER
1995-96: 30/6/4/2/1 on 50/43/83. 29.4 PER
1996-97: 30/6/4/2/1 on 49/37/83. 27.8 PER
1997-98: 29/6/4/2/1 on 47/24/78. 25.2 PER
2001-02: 23/6/5/1/0 on 42/19/79. 20.8 PER
2002-03: 20/6/4/2/1 on 45/29/82. 19.3 PER
Career Regular Season Stats: 30/6/5/2/1 on 50/33/84. 27.9 PER



Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Regular Season Stats
*Dark green indicates Bucks, Purple indicates Lakers
1969-70: 29/15/4 on 52% FG and 65% FT. 22.5 PER
1970-71: 32/16/3 on 58% FG and 69% FT. 29.0 PER
1971-72: 35/17/5 on 57% FG and 69% FT. 29.9 PER
1972-73: 30/16/5 on 55% FG and 71% FT. 28.5 PER
1973-74 (blocks and steals now recorded): 27/15/5/1/4 on 54% FG and 70% FT. 24.4 PER
1974-75: 30/14/4/1/3 on 51% FG and 76% FT. 26.4 PER
1975-76: 28/17/5/2/4 on 53% FG and 70% FT. 27.2 PER
1976-77: 26/13/4/1/3 on 58% FG and 70% FT. 27.8 PER
1977-78: 26/13/4/2/3 on 55% FG and 78% FT. 29.2 PER
1978-79: 24/13/5/1/4 on 58% FG and 74% FT. 25.5 PER
1979-80: 25/11/5/1/3 on 60% FG and 77% FT. 25.3 PER
1980-81: 26/10/3/1/3 on 57% FG and 77% FT. 25.5 PER
1981-82: 24/9/3/1/3 on 58% FG and 71% FT. 23.4 PER
1982-83: (32 MPG) 22/8/3/1/2 on 59% FG and 75% FT. 23.6 PER
1983-84: 22/7/3/1/2 on 58% FG and 72% FT. 21.3 PER
1984-85: 22/8/3/1/2 on 60% FG and 73% FT. 22.9 PER
1985-86: 23/6/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 77% FT. 22.7 PER
1986-87: (31 MPG) 18/7/3/1/1 on 56% FG and 71% FT. 17.9 PER
1987-88: (29 MPG) 15/6/2/1/1 on 53% FG and 76% FT. 15.8 PER
1988-89: (23 MPG) 10/5/1/1/1 on 48% FG and 74% FT. 12.9 PER
Career Regular Season Stats: 25/11/4/1/3 on 56% FG and 72% FT. 24.6 PER





Michael Jordan Playoff Stats
1984-85: 4 games, 29/6/9/3/1 on 44/13/83. 24.7 PER
1985-86: 3 games, 44/6/6/2/1 on 51/100 (1-1)/87. 30.1 PER
1986-87: 3 games, 36/7/6/2/2 on 42/40/90. 28.1 PER
1987-88: 10 games, 36/7/5/2/1 on 53/33 (1-3)/87. 28.4 PER
1988-89: 17 games, 35/7/8/2/1 on 51/29/80. 29.9 PER
1989-90: 16 games, 37/7/7/3/1 on 51/32/84. 31.6 PER
1990-91: 17 games, 31/6/8/2/1 on 52/39/85. 32.0 PER
1991-92: 22 games, 35/6/6/2/1 on 50/39/86. 27.2 PER
1992-93: 19 games, 35/7/6/2/1 on 48/39/81. 30.1 PER
1994-95: 10 games, 32/7/5/2/1 on 48/37/81. 24.8 PER
1995-96: 18 games, 31/5/4/2/0 on 46/40/82. 26.7 PER
1996-97: 19 games, 31/8/5/2/1 on 46/19/83. 27.1 PER
1997-98: 21 games, 32/5/4/2/1 on 46/30/81. 28.1 PER
Career Playoff Stats: 33/6/6/2/1 on 49/33/83. 28.6 PER


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Playoff Stats
1969-70: 10 games, 35/17/4 on 57% FG and 73% FT. 29.4 PER
1970-71: 14 games, 27/17/3 on 52% FG and 67% FT. 25.3 PER
1971-72: 11 games, 29/18/5 on 44% FG and 70% FT. 22.4 PER
1972-73: 6 games, 23/16/3 on 43% FG and 54% FT. 17.7 PER
1973-74: 16 games, 32/16/5/1/2 on 56% FG and 74% FT. 28.3 PER
1976-77: 11 games, 35/18/4/2/3 on 61% FG and 73% FT. 32.4 PER
1977-78: 3 games, 27/14/4/1/4 on 52% FG and 56% FT. 21.9 PER
1978-79: 8 games, 29/13/5/1/4 on 58% FG and 84% FT. 26.5 PER
1979-80: 15 games, 32/12/3/1/4 on 57% FG and 79% FT. 27.9 PER
1980-81: 3 games, 27/17/4/1/3 on 46% FG and 71% FT. 22.4 PER
1981-82: 14 games, 20/9/4/1/3 on 52% FG and 63% FT. 20.1 PER
1982-83: 15 games, 27/8/3/1/4 on 57% FG and 76% FT. 22.8 PER
1983-84: 21 games, 24/8/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 75% FT. 24.0 PER
1984-85: 19 games (32 MPG), 22/8/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 78% FT. 22.1 PER
1985-86: 14 games, 26/6/4/1/2 on 56% FG and 79% FT. 21.2 PER
1986-87: 18 games (31 MPG), 19/7/2/0/2 on 53% FG and 80% FT. 19.4 PER
1987-88: 24 games (30 MPG), 14/6/2/1/2 on 46% FG and 79% FT. 13.8 PER
1988-89: 15 games (23 MPG), 11/4/1/0/1 on 46% FG and 72% FT. 11.9 PER
Career Playoff Stats: 24/11/3/1/2 on 53% FG and 74% FT. 23.0 PER


ROFLMAO. FAIL for the haters

hmm, impressive. so how is it he only got to 6 finals with those stats?

why couldnt jordan get the wiz to the playoffs in the miserable east? we all watched jordan poorly shoot that young team out of a playoff spot two straight years. i mean damn.. that team made literally no improvement over those two years..... 37 - 45 both seasons, lol. absolutely pathetic.

kobe could get kwame brown to the playoffs in the much more competitive west. how odd....

[Deez]

How many finals MVPs does Kareem have? Must have more than 6 the way laker fans talk. I mean after all that's what counts most.

Haha magic has a finals MVP due to one game. Big game James has a finals MVP. You Jordan nut huggers overrate finals MVPs. If your name is Michael Jordan (the most hyped player in history) if your team wins the finals (one whole series against a scrub team), you win the finals MVP.

So you are comparing someone with 1 MVP to a guy who was 6 times in 6 finals? Lol

[Deez]

How many finals MVPs does Kareem have? Must have more than 6 the way laker fans talk. I mean after all that's what counts most.

I don't believe anybody but you has brought them up.
He was the MVP of a watered-down league

Lol excuses and the 70's were horrible

[Titan18]

Let's compare.

Player A = Kareem (first 15 seasons)
Player B = Jordan ( 15 year career)

Player A: Minutes Played: 39.1
Player B: Minutes Played: 38.3

Player A: FG/FGA: 11.1/19.8 FG%: .560
Player B: FG/FGA: 11.4/22.9 FG%: .497

Player A: FT/FTA: 4.7/6.6 FT%: .717
Player B: FT/FTA: 6.8/8.2 FT%: .835

Player A: Total Rebounds: 12.8
Player B: Total Rebounds: 6.2

Player A: Assists: 4
Player B: Assists: 5.3

Player A: Steals: 1.1
Player B: Steals: 2.3

Player A: Turnovers: 3.1
Player B: Turnovers: 2.7

Player A: Blocks: 3.1
Player B: Blocks: .8

Player A: Points: 26.9
Player B: Points: 30.1

You said better "career" stats yet you left off Jabbar's last 5 years?

Hmmm

15 years and 15 years. Kareem shouldn't be penalized because Jordan was a quitter and/or couldn't play more years.

Then don't say career stats if you had no intention of using their actual careers numbers. Say "who
Had the better 15 year stats"

Regardless those stats still show a 5>4 advantage in favor of Jordan.

[paskeezy3000]

If KAJ was so great why nothing between Oscar and Magic. Gotta hear this one.

So Jordan played his first 6 years getting his shit pushed in in the playoffs and Kareem played 6 years without O and magic without winning a title and this is something you're talking shit about?

[town bidness]

Kareem couldn't do shit without an all time great perimeter player.

Yea. Jordan had Pippen, but he molded Pippen and pippen sure as hell wasn't better than Oscar and Magic. Jordan also never ONCE had a all time GOAT-like BIG down low in any of his runs during an era with some all time great BIGs

While Kareem couldn't win jack without a perimeter GOAT

oscar was in his last year when kareem carried him to a ring.

magic wasnt the man until around 86 -87 i think.

what did jordan ever do without a genre defining point forward?

jack shit, that's what.