Now then. MJ had won 3 rings before playing along side Pip and Rodman.
And the dumbasses don't realize Rodman was already past prime by that point who you couldn't even get 5 ppg out of.
You can get 20-30 out of both Bosh and Wade. And another 15-20 out of Allen.
Fucking Bandwagon MORONS!!
You call yourself a historian yet you believe that Rodman was brought to Chicago for his scoring???
It doesn't matter. Point is Lebron has MULTIPLE offensive options around to defer to. You can get a nice all around game from Bosh and Wade at an efficient clip.
Could you get the same out of Rodman?? You couldn't even get a 10/10 game out of Rodman.
DorianRo wrote:Since Lebron took the LeEasyWayOut, quitting on his team, despite two top seed billings, and willingly colluding with other HOFers to win anything in a WEAK conference like the east where you are lucky if you can find a 50 win team, Lebron is going to have to win more championships just took make up for the fact he has it SOO EASY compared to other elites had it.
Its only fair
Its like Jordan colluding with Magic and Bird in a summer league in the YMCA. They SHOUDL win easily and win many.
Why would Jordan need to collude with Bird when he played next to a NBA Top Fifty player and two other Hall of Fame players and why would Bird need to collude with Jordan when he played with two NBA Top Fifty players and five Hall of Fame players?
Why would Lebron need to collude (If hes supposedly the best player in the league) with enough help in cleveland to have the best regular season records for TWO YEARS and playing dumpy shit talentless conference?
If he would have stayed in Cleveland, his legacy might have been looked back with higher regard. But TRUE historians of the game who understand ball will never forget the Pussy "LeDecision"
We will use the Socratic Method. Asking questions is the best way to elicit the truth
Here we go.
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by five Hall of famers as Bird was in Boston?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by three Hall of Famers as Jordan was in Chicago?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by four Hall of Famers as Magic was in Los Angeles?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by fourteen *Hall of Famers as Bill Russell was in Boston?
* That seems like a lot but that's what a google search revealed,
Why would Jordan need to collude with Bird when he played next to a NBA Top Fifty player and two other Hall of Fame players and why would Bird need to collude with Jordan when he played with two NBA Top Fifty players and five Hall of Fame players?
Why would Lebron need to collude (If hes supposedly the best player in the league) with enough help in cleveland to have the best regular season records for TWO YEARS and playing dumpy shit talentless conference?
If he would have stayed in Cleveland, his legacy might have been looked back with higher regard. But TRUE historians of the game who understand ball will never forget the Pussy "LeDecision"
We will use the Socratic Method. Asking questions is the best way to elicit the truth
Here we go.
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by five Hall of famers as Bird was in Boston?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by three Hall of Famers as Jordan was in Chicago?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by four Hall of Famers as Magic was in Los Angeles?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by fourteen *Hall of famers as Bill Russell was in Boston?
* That seems like a lot but that's what a google search revealed,
So What 3 Hall of famers was MJ surrounded with during first three peat?
And the dumbasses don't realize Rodman was already past prime by that point who you couldn't even get 5 ppg out of.
You can get 20-30 out of both Bosh and Wade. And another 15-20 out of Allen.
Fucking Bandwagon MORONS!!
You call yourself a historian yet you believe that Rodman was brought to Chicago for his scoring???
It doesn't matter. Point is Lebron has MULTIPLE offensive options around to defer to. You can get a nice all around game from Bosh and Wade at an efficient clip.
Could you get the same out of Rodman?? You couldn't even get a 10/10 game out of Rodman.
Next
Of course it matters you dumbfuck. Rodman is considered the greatest rebounder in NBA history. That and his defense is what he was brought in for. And he didn't disappoint. Why do you think Chicago lost to Orlando in the 95 playoffs? Because Grant left and they had no inside presence. A year later, Rodman is brought in and look what happen when they faced Orlando again in the playoffs. They swept them because Rodman avg. almost 16trb that series AND as a bonus avg almost 12ppg.
Why would Lebron need to collude (If hes supposedly the best player in the league) with enough help in cleveland to have the best regular season records for TWO YEARS and playing dumpy shit talentless conference?
If he would have stayed in Cleveland, his legacy might have been looked back with higher regard. But TRUE historians of the game who understand ball will never forget the Pussy "LeDecision"
We will use the Socratic Method. Asking questions is the best way to elicit the truth
Here we go.
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by five Hall of famers as Bird was in Boston?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by three Hall of Famers as Jordan was in Chicago?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by four Hall of Famers as Magic was in Los Angeles?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by fourteen *Hall of famers as Bill Russell was in Boston?
* That seems like a lot but that's what a google search revealed,
So What 3 Hall of famers was MJ surrounded with during first three peat?
You know the point. He had Pippen, the very underrated Horace Grant, Cartwright who was an excellent defensive C and had scored 20 a game twice earlier in his career, some great shooters...
Pretending the cupboard in Cleveland in 2010 was in that area code is disingenuous.
If I list the twenty six Hall Of Famers who played with Jordan, Bird, Russ, and Magic and when they played with them and at what point of their career they were when they played with them I'll be here to the 4th of July.
It's not my burden to do that.It's yours to prove I'm dissembling...
Jordan and especially Bird, Magic, and Russ played with a shitload of talent. In Cleveland LeBron just played with shit.
Jims_Doors wrote:
You call yourself a historian yet you believe that Rodman was brought to Chicago for his scoring???
It doesn't matter. Point is Lebron has MULTIPLE offensive options around to defer to. You can get a nice all around game from Bosh and Wade at an efficient clip.
Could you get the same out of Rodman?? You couldn't even get a 10/10 game out of Rodman.
Next
Of course it matters you dumbfuck. Rodman is considered the greatest rebounder in NBA history. That and his defense is what he was brought in for. And he didn't disappoint. Why do you think Chicago lost to Orlando in the 95 playoffs? Because Grant left and they had no inside presence. A year later, Rodman is brought in and look what happen when they faced Orlando again in the playoffs. They swept them because Rodman avg. almost 16trb that series AND as a bonus avg almost 12ppg.
I'll tell ya what.. Lets take 2 of the THREE future HOF'ers that leBitch has for Supporting help and give him 34 year old Rodman. And you tell me if Lebron makes 4 Finals in a row and win 2-3 ships
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It doesn't matter. Point is Lebron has MULTIPLE offensive options around to defer to. You can get a nice all around game from Bosh and Wade at an efficient clip.
Could you get the same out of Rodman?? You couldn't even get a 10/10 game out of Rodman.
Next
Of course it matters you dumbfuck. Rodman is considered the greatest rebounder in NBA history. That and his defense is what he was brought in for. And he didn't disappoint. Why do you think Chicago lost to Orlando in the 95 playoffs? Because Grant left and they had no inside presence. A year later, Rodman is brought in and look what happen when they faced Orlando again in the playoffs. They swept them because Rodman avg. almost 16trb that series AND as a bonus avg almost 12ppg.
I'll tell ya what.. Lets take 2 of the THREE future HOF'ers that leBitch has for Supporting help and give him Rodman. And you tell me if Lebron makes 4 Finals in a row and win 2-3 ships
He wins much easier if Rodman is part of his team. The Heat suck at rebounding and Lebron wouldn't have to expend as much energy always guarding the opposing team's best player. Wade, Lebron and Rodman would win as many titles.
We will use the Socratic Method. Asking questions is the best way to elicit the truth
Here we go.
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by five Hall of famers as Bird was in Boston?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by three Hall of Famers as Jordan was in Chicago?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by four Hall of Famers as Magic was in Los Angeles?
Do you think LeBron James would have left Cleveland if he was surrounded by fourteen *Hall of famers as Bill Russell was in Boston?
* That seems like a lot but that's what a google search revealed,
So What 3 Hall of famers was MJ surrounded with during first three peat?
You know the point. He had Pippen, the very underrated Horace Grant, Cartwright who was an excellent defensive C and had scored 20 a game twice earlier in his career, some great shooters...
Pretending the cupboard in Cleveland in 2010 was in that area code is disingenuous.[/quote
What am I to say Grizz. 7-18 game 4. 3-14 game 5. 8-21 game 6. One of those games the other 4 starters were in double figures and still lost.
It doesn't matter. Point is Lebron has MULTIPLE offensive options around to defer to. You can get a nice all around game from Bosh and Wade at an efficient clip.
Could you get the same out of Rodman?? You couldn't even get a 10/10 game out of Rodman.
Next
Of course it matters you dumbfuck. Rodman is considered the greatest rebounder in NBA history. That and his defense is what he was brought in for. And he didn't disappoint. Why do you think Chicago lost to Orlando in the 95 playoffs? Because Grant left and they had no inside presence. A year later, Rodman is brought in and look what happen when they faced Orlando again in the playoffs. They swept them because Rodman avg. almost 16trb that series AND as a bonus avg almost 12ppg.
I'll tell ya what.. Lets take 2 of the THREE future HOF'ers that leBitch has for Supporting help and give him Rodman. And you tell me if Lebron makes 4 Finals in a row and win 2-3 ships
You think LeBron could eke out a championship with Kevin Mchale, Nate Archibald, Dennis Johnson, Robert Parish and Bill Walton?
Or how about with Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Big Game James Worthy, Bob McAdoo, and Jamaal Wilkes?
Or how about with Bob Cousy, John Havilcek, Bill Sharman, and Sam Jones?
Da Stars. wrote:
So What 3 Hall of famers was MJ surrounded with during first three peat?
You know the point. He had Pippen, the very underrated Horace Grant, Cartwright who was an excellent defensive C and had scored 20 a game twice earlier in his career, some great shooters...
Pretending the cupboard in Cleveland in 2010 was in that area code is disingenuous.[/quote
What am I to say Grizz. 7-18 game 4. 3-14 game 5. 8-21 game 6. One of those games the other 4 starters were in double figures and still lost.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say again, but comparing what LeBron left in 2010 to what MJ had when he started winning titles is the stuff of morons.
You know the point. He had Pippen, the very underrated Horace Grant, Cartwright who was an excellent defensive C and had scored 20 a game twice earlier in his career, some great shooters...
Pretending the cupboard in Cleveland in 2010 was in that area code is disingenuous.[/quote
What am I to say Grizz. 7-18 game 4. 3-14 game 5. 8-21 game 6. One of those games the other 4 starters were in double figures and still lost.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say again, but comparing what LeBron left in 2010 to what MJ had when he started winning titles is the stuff of morons.
Jims_Doors wrote:
Of course it matters you dumbfuck. Rodman is considered the greatest rebounder in NBA history. That and his defense is what he was brought in for. And he didn't disappoint. Why do you think Chicago lost to Orlando in the 95 playoffs? Because Grant left and they had no inside presence. A year later, Rodman is brought in and look what happen when they faced Orlando again in the playoffs. They swept them because Rodman avg. almost 16trb that series AND as a bonus avg almost 12ppg.
I'll tell ya what.. Lets take 2 of the THREE future HOF'ers that leBitch has for Supporting help and give him Rodman. And you tell me if Lebron makes 4 Finals in a row and win 2-3 ships
He wins much easier if Rodman is part of his team. The Heat suck at rebounding and Lebron wouldn't have to expend as much energy always guarding the opposing team's best player. Wade, Lebron and Rodman would win as many titles.
And who is gonna bail him out offensively if you take 2 of the 3 HOF'ers off and give him Rodman? is Rodman gonna carry him down the stretch on the offensive end?
Is Rodman gonna give you 20/10 games or 25-10 games if called upon to do so?
DorianRo wrote:Number 1, Lebron had enough supporting help to get top seeding and the best record in the game for 2 seasons was it?
Number 2, the East jordan played in was 3 or 4 times tougher and more competitive than ANY East Lehype has played in yet.
That team that was top seeded was 1-13 when LeBron didn't play, but let's play along. Who on that 66 win team in 2009 was as good as Pippen, or Grant or even some of the lesser lights on the Bulls championship teams? Mo? Varajeo? Ancient Z? Anthony Parker? Hickson? Tell me.
Da Stars. wrote:
You know the point. He had Pippen, the very underrated Horace Grant, Cartwright who was an excellent defensive C and had scored 20 a game twice earlier in his career, some great shooters...
Pretending the cupboard in Cleveland in 2010 was in that area code is disingenuous.[/quote
What am I to say Grizz. 7-18 game 4. 3-14 game 5. 8-21 game 6. One of those games the other 4 starters were in double figures and still lost.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say again, but comparing what LeBron left in 2010 to what MJ had when he started winning titles is the stuff of morons.
That won't stop people from doing it though.
You can play these parlor games all day by massaging the statistics and point to playoff games where James stunk up the place. Nobody is disputing that. He's played in 152 playoff games. There are bound to be some stinkers.
But to argue his teammates weren't straight garbage is bullshit. And yeah, I'm talking about geriatric Shaquille O'Neal and Antawn "Homeless Man's Lamar Odom" Jamison.
The proof is in the pudding...The Cavaliers sucked before he got there...They sucked after he left...And they sucked in the games he didn't play when he was there.
DorianRo wrote:Number 1, Lebron had enough supporting help to get top seeding and the best record in the game for 2 seasons was it?
Number 2, the East jordan played in was 3 or 4 times tougher and more competitive than ANY East Lehype has played in yet.
That team that was top seeded was 1-13 when LeBron didn't play, but let's play along. Who on that 66 win team in 2009 was as good as Pippen, or Grant or even some of the lesser lights on the Bulls championship teams? Mo? Varajeo? Ancient Z? Anthony Parker? Hickson? Tell me.
I didn't say his supporting help was as good but WHY did it have to be exactly? He wasn't going up against Teams like the 96 Pacers or Sonics or Magic or Jazz etc.
And as already mentioned it was still good enough to give him the top record in the league. So his supporting help wasn't THAT bad.
