Clinton up in all the polls today

[vcsgrizzfan]

the markets depend on quantitative easing and crooked trade deals.
with trump, the market will go down, and companies will have to earned high share prices based on actual earnings and pro american trade deals.

I can't tell you just how stupid that is. When you don't know what you are talking about, just shut the fuck up.

you sound very guilty and very perturbed. Are you denying that there were qe1, qe2, qe3, etc to prop the stock market up? Are you denying that there was TARP? The stock market is being carried by the hard working middle class who has to absorb all the tax increases and inflation.

Again, when you have no clue what you are talking about, best to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You have a very nasty habit of talking like an expert on material you know absolutely nothing about.

I've been in the financial markets since before you were born. I've made my living and my 'fortune' for lack of a better word in the industry and the markets.

TARP likely saved us from a calamity greater than the the Depression of the 30s. In mid to late 2008, money had essentially stopped moving. The velocity of money had fallen to a crawl. No financial institutions trusted the balance sheets of any other financial institutions. The yield on many equities was two to three times higher than the yield on their bonds. Absolutely unprecedented stuff. There were top quality banks, with pristine capital ratios trading at yields approaching double digits because there was a high likelihood cross defaults would bring down even the best institutions. For the ONLY time in my career, I felt there was a good chance we were all going down the shitter. Not a bear market. The shitter. People who rail against TARP have no idea what they are talking about.

The hangover from the excesses pre 2008 caused by people using their homes as piggy banks and the artificial boom in the economy was exacerbated by a real estate market that had to correct significantly to come back into balance. If you want to rail about something, rail about the excesses on Wall Street etc. associated with all the scams that led to the real estate bubble. That's completely fair and accurate. I'm disgusted essentially no one has gone to prison for all the shit that went down associated with that.

Quantitative easing programs clearly helped the markets, but not for reasons you think or understand. Markets care essentially about two things. Earnings and interest rates. Interest rates affect the multiples markets will pay on the earnings generated by the participating companies in that market. But quantitative easing was not there to bolster markets per se, it was required because the economy was so fragile coming out of the excesses of 2008 and the associated hangover of the excesses leading up to that bubble.

Your last sentence is just ridiculous rambling babble not worthy of an answer.

[AtiliusRegulus]

I can't tell you just how stupid that is. When you don't know what you are talking about, just shut the fuck up.

you sound very guilty and very perturbed. Are you denying that there were qe1, qe2, qe3, etc to prop the stock market up? Are you denying that there was TARP? The stock market is being carried by the hard working middle class who has to absorb all the tax increases and inflation.

Again, when you have no clue what you are talking about, best to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You have a very nasty habit of talking like an expert on material you know absolutely nothing about.

I've been in the financial markets since before you were born. I've made my living and my 'fortune' for lack of a better word in the industry and the markets.

TARP likely saved us from a calamity greater than the the Depression of the 30s. In mid to late 2008, money had essentially stopped moving. The velocity of money had fallen to a crawl. No financial institutions trusted the balance sheets of any other financial institutions. The yield on many equities was two to three times higher than the yield on their bonds. Absolutely unprecedented stuff. There were top quality banks, with pristine capital ratios trading at yields approaching double digits because there was a high likelihood cross defaults would bring down even the best institutions. For the ONLY time in my career, I felt there was a good chance we were all going down the shitter. Not a bear market. The shitter. People who rail against TARP have no idea what they are talking about.

The hangover from the excesses pre 2008 caused by people using their homes as piggy banks and the artificial boom in the economy was exacerbated by a real estate market that had to correct significantly to come back into balance. If you want to rail about something, rail about the excesses on Wall Street etc. associated with all the scams that led to the real estate bubble. That's completely fair and accurate. I'm disgusted essentially no one has gone to prison for all the shit that went down associated with that.

Quantitative easing programs clearly helped the markets, but not for reasons you think or understand. Markets care essentially about two things. Earnings and interest rates. Interest rates affect the multiples markets will pay on the earnings generated by the participating companies in that market. But quantitative easing was not there to bolster markets per se, it was required because the economy was so fragile coming out of the excesses of 2008 and the associated hangover of the excesses leading up to that bubble.

Your last sentence is just ridiculous rambling babble not worthy of an answer.

You are a miserable blow hard for an old man.
You said quantitative easing helped the market.
Now why the hell are you disagreeing with me.
Without qe the stock market wouldn't be at such heights.
The stock market is hence artificial. Hillary represents more government intervention to keep the wealthy with their wealth, trump represents hard nosed entrepreneurship on solid profits.

There's a reason why trumps company is not traded: because it represents the old fashion way of doing things.

The markets prefer Hillary as a guarantor for its wealth at the expense of the public treasury

[kobeunderbite]

[vcsgrizzfan]

Nah. He's an idiot who got his one response.

[AtiliusRegulus]

griz is part of the parasite class who gets bailed out at every failure but gets to keep profits at every success.

I work in real estate and I know people who have done business with trump. These guys make their money one rental unit at a time.
The bigger the property they own, the bigger the downpayment, and it takes years of hard work and savings for some to even make that down payment.
Others are lucky to get it via a mortgage assignment in addition to the property value going up hence being able to leverage equity. But it is not a pump and dump scheme. This is why Donald is alpha. He knows that stock brokers, hedge fund managers, and option traders are charlatans. And that's why he's against them, and that's why they are for Hillary.

[vcsgrizzfan]

griz is part of the parasite class who gets bailed out at every failure but gets to keep profits at every success.

I work in real estate and I know people who have done business with trump. These guys make their money one rental unit at a time.
The bigger the property the own, the bigger the downpayment, and it takes years of hard work and savings for some to even make that done payment.
Others are lucky to get it via a mortgage assignment in addition to the property value going up hence being able to leverage equity. But it is not a pump and dump scheme. This is why Donald is alpha. He knows that stock brokers, hedge fund managers, and option traders are charlatans. And that's why he's against them, and that's why they are for Hillary.

It's okay to not understand capital markets. They aren't exactly an uncomplicated thing.

What's not okay is talking out your ass about it. You have no understanding at all of capital markets. It's painfully obvious, but you insist on pretending you do. Worse yet, your terrible lack of self awareness probably has you believing you do understand. That's frightening.

[AtiliusRegulus]

The parasite of the speculator class speaks. Thomas Jefferson despised them

[lettherebehouse]

civil war begins tomorrow....

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[vcsgrizzfan]

you sound very guilty and very perturbed. Are you denying that there were qe1, qe2, qe3, etc to prop the stock market up? Are you denying that there was TARP? The stock market is being carried by the hard working middle class who has to absorb all the tax increases and inflation.

Again, when you have no clue what you are talking about, best to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You have a very nasty habit of talking like an expert on material you know absolutely nothing about.

I've been in the financial markets since before you were born. I've made my living and my 'fortune' for lack of a better word in the industry and the markets.

TARP likely saved us from a calamity greater than the the Depression of the 30s. In mid to late 2008, money had essentially stopped moving. The velocity of money had fallen to a crawl. No financial institutions trusted the balance sheets of any other financial institutions. The yield on many equities was two to three times higher than the yield on their bonds. Absolutely unprecedented stuff. There were top quality banks, with pristine capital ratios trading at yields approaching double digits because there was a high likelihood cross defaults would bring down even the best institutions. For the ONLY time in my career, I felt there was a good chance we were all going down the shitter. Not a bear market. The shitter. People who rail against TARP have no idea what they are talking about.

The hangover from the excesses pre 2008 caused by people using their homes as piggy banks and the artificial boom in the economy was exacerbated by a real estate market that had to correct significantly to come back into balance. If you want to rail about something, rail about the excesses on Wall Street etc. associated with all the scams that led to the real estate bubble. That's completely fair and accurate. I'm disgusted essentially no one has gone to prison for all the shit that went down associated with that.

Quantitative easing programs clearly helped the markets, but not for reasons you think or understand. Markets care essentially about two things. Earnings and interest rates. Interest rates affect the multiples markets will pay on the earnings generated by the participating companies in that market. But quantitative easing was not there to bolster markets per se, it was required because the economy was so fragile coming out of the excesses of 2008 and the associated hangover of the excesses leading up to that bubble.

Your last sentence is just ridiculous rambling babble not worthy of an answer.

Hes right though that if QE were to end/interest rates rise, investors will have to pay more to borrow money and stock prices should go lower. As will home prices.

It's all up to the fed to time it right. Wait for the economy to boom at a rate that will cancel out the negative effects of higher interest rates. But it's a dangerous game always having the fed controlling and tuning the economy like this, and has had disastrous results in the past due to unforseen side effects.

I agree completely. QE has been about keeping a very sick economy from going into a coma. Managing out of that will be extremely tricky. I'm thinking the underlying economy is close to being strong enough now that we are close to seeing modest bumps in interest rates. One of the companies I own and follow closely is a company that specializes in leasing equipment to small businesses. I'm talking about small ticket stuff here, maybe 15k to a maximum of 75k per lease. They have over 10,000 leases on the books at any one time. According to the CEO there, who is a very conservative guy, the underlying demand is the best it's been since pre 2008. I think that's grassroots stuff. Very anecdotal obviously, but I think telling.

[thedangerouskitchen]

And I'm not sure the data was accrued after news of her being cleared of any wrong doing for her emails.

Landslide tomorrow.

Can't wait for Trump's reaction. And hannitys

BUMP



Eat it, flaming liberal.