David Price signs with the Red Sox for $217 million over 7 years

[Odogg]

People can laugh at Boston but they've acquired a top-flight closer and starter before the winter meetings even started, not a shabby job at upgrading the roster for Dombrowski.

Here's the thing, though: isn't better to do this type of move when you're 1 player away?

If my Giants landed Greinke on a similar deal, I wouldn't be wild about it because of the back end, but I'd love it in the sense that SF is one starter away from vaunting right back to contender status (IMO), and they'd be in an excellent position for the next 3 years while simultaneously castrating a division rival in the short term as well.

I'd also be OK with the Dodgers overpaying him if it meant keeping him away from the Giants.

[Buckets]

How could I forget Anthony Davis?

I was going to say, NBA would probably be Anthony Davis. Football would probably be Luck (Brady usually takes pay cuts to help the team). Baseball would be Trout. Hockey, I have no idea honestly as I don't follow.

I think with no cap, NBA players would be paid the most though since there's only 5 guys on the court and 1 player can really make an impact. The top tier guys (probably cutoff at top 4) such as Durant, Davis, LeBron, and Curry would get at least $30 million. I think the cutoff would be at Harden.

See, in a situation like this I really think some rogue owner would go ridiculously over the top in order to instantly transform his franchise-- particularly in basketball, where 1 player makes such an enormous difference. Would you really be surprised if Cuban offered LeBron or Curry 50m annually if the league was cap-less? SHit, Dan Gilbert just gave Tristan Thompson 16m a year in a league that IS capped...

Teams still have to turn a profit. Sure an owner may go $50 million annually but they are either going to surround the team with crap (i.e. not enough team talent to win a ship) or spend frivolously 1 year, win a championship, then trade off pieces to return to profitability. These owners didn't make their millions by doing bad business deals. At the end of the day its still about getting in the green. Its just some teams (i.e. Lakers, Bulls, Knicks) have higher thresholds for profit than small market teams so they'd be able to flex their budget a heck of a lot more.

[Odogg]

I just hate the whole 7 year thing with pitchers who are around 30.

I remember when the Dodgers signed Kevin Brown way back in the day, he was only good the first two or three seasons. We were lucky the Yankees took him off our hands for the last two or three years.

[rtiff68]

People can laugh at Boston but they've acquired a top-flight closer and starter before the winter meetings even started, not a shabby job at upgrading the roster for Dombrowski.

Here's the thing, though: isn't better to do this type of move when you're 1 player away?

If my Giants landed Greinke on a similar deal, I wouldn't be wild about it because of the back end, but I'd love it in the sense that SF is one starter away from vaunting right back to contender status (IMO), and they'd be in an excellent position for the next 3 years while simultaneously castrating a division rival in the short term as well.

Well I think that Boston is closer than others may, they had a much better second half and their young studs seem to only be improving, but more so in terms of the one player away argument, I think it's all relative.

If you're a team with limited means, sure it makes sense to save your dollars until you're 'closer'. But for an organization like the Redsox, this is the kind of financial muscle they're capable of flexing, especially now with a different leader/philosophy in place in the front office and the whole frowning upon big contracts thing out the window for them.

To me, they're not that far off, and adding a top-5 closer and top-10 SP goes a long way towards bridging that gap, regardless of whether or not it bridges it all the way.

I suppose. The teams like Boston who can't really dig themselves financially, the acquisition of high end talent could be viewed as "always worth it."

I think more than anything else, I'm just underwhelmed by their roster as a whole, and I don't think 1 player is enough to turn them around in the next year or two...

...and that deal will start going the way of the CC Sabathia deal by year 4 or 5 (a deal that made sense, in my opinion, because the Yankees were better at that time than BOS currently is, IMO).

[Odogg]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

[rtiff68]

People can laugh at Boston but they've acquired a top-flight closer and starter before the winter meetings even started, not a shabby job at upgrading the roster for Dombrowski.

Here's the thing, though: isn't better to do this type of move when you're 1 player away?

If my Giants landed Greinke on a similar deal, I wouldn't be wild about it because of the back end, but I'd love it in the sense that SF is one starter away from vaunting right back to contender status (IMO), and they'd be in an excellent position for the next 3 years while simultaneously castrating a division rival in the short term as well.

I'd also be OK with the Dodgers overpaying him if it meant keeping him away from the Giants.

He's going to get crazy money no matter what, and I'm almost positive it's going to come from LA. They don't want to risk losing him and they have some of the deepest pockets in MLB.

In addition, going huge for a guy like that in FA is 100% not Sabean's style. He'll end up with 1 or 2 of the following: Gallardo, Samardzija, Lackey, Leake, and then sign some veteran OF to a 1-2 year deal and hope to catch lightening in a bottle like he has so many times with deals like that..

[Buckets]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

Apparently CC's deal is void after this upcoming season if he goes on the DL with any type of shoulder injury during the season. Dude's going to be asked to get MRIs every week haha

[rtiff68]

I just hate the whole 7 year thing with pitchers who are around 30.

I remember when the Dodgers signed Kevin Brown way back in the day, he was only good the first two or three seasons. We were lucky the Yankees took him off our hands for the last two or three years.

Couldn't agree more.

I said something similar earlier in this thread.

Scherzer might have been the worst I've seen, to be honest.

[Havlicekstealsit]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

Yanks are also notorious for inking guys who peaked before they arrived. Roger Clemens, AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano among others.

[kobeunderbite]

Sabathia is a bit of a unique case, his weight destroyed his knee. Price will decline but I don't think he'll necessarily implode to that extent.

The Sox rotation still leaves something to be desired but the pen looks strong and there is superstar promise littered all over the lineup. Price alone won't take them back to the postseason but if his arrival is coupled with a couple of other big ticket acquisitions, like Sabathia was with Teixeira and Burnett, they'll be right back in it.

They realize that they'll be massively overpaying him for a good part of that deal but they're also rich enough to take that hit, so more power to them.

[Odogg]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

Apparently CC's deal is void after this upcoming season if he goes on the DL with any type of shoulder injury during the season. Dude's going to be asked to get MRIs every week haha

I think they have a $7M buyout clause for 2017 too, so they only have to suck it up for one more full season and then pay him off.

[Odogg]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

Yanks are also notorious for inking guys who peaked before they arrived. Roger Clemens, AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano among others.

And that's just pitchers. The recent 7 year deal for Ellsbury is looking like a disaster.

[Odogg]

Here's the thing, though: isn't better to do this type of move when you're 1 player away?

If my Giants landed Greinke on a similar deal, I wouldn't be wild about it because of the back end, but I'd love it in the sense that SF is one starter away from vaunting right back to contender status (IMO), and they'd be in an excellent position for the next 3 years while simultaneously castrating a division rival in the short term as well.

I'd also be OK with the Dodgers overpaying him if it meant keeping him away from the Giants.

He's going to get crazy money no matter what, and I'm almost positive it's going to come from LA. They don't want to risk losing him and they have some of the deepest pockets in MLB.

In addition, going huge for a guy like that in FA is 100% not Sabean's style. He'll end up with 1 or 2 of the following: Gallardo, Samardzija, Lackey, Leake, and then sign some veteran OF to a 1-2 year deal and hope to catch lightening in a bottle like he has so many times with deals like that..

All the chatter from Dodgers mgmt. is that they want to go young though and not commit long term to an older pitcher. But I think the one thing that may change their mind is having the Giants in the mix.

[rtiff68]

The Yanks first deal with CC was great, it was the extension they gave him in 2012 that was the killer.

Yanks are also notorious for inking guys who peaked before they arrived. Roger Clemens, AJ Burnett, Carl Pavano among others.

And that's just pitchers. The recent 7 year deal for Ellsbury is looking like a disaster.

They should've known better on that one, too. The things that tend to age well more than anything else are plate discipline and power: guys lose bat-speed as they get older, but they often retain a significant amount of their pop and their ability to command the strike-zone.

Pitchers are always a nuance or small injury away from never being the same. Players rely on foot speed and bat speed tend to go down the toilet bowl once they hit the wrong side of 30 and they lose their ability to run. Think the Carl Crawford contract had something to do with Boston letting Jacoby walk?

[Kevin]

I was going to say, NBA would probably be Anthony Davis. Football would probably be Luck (Brady usually takes pay cuts to help the team). Baseball would be Trout. Hockey, I have no idea honestly as I don't follow.

I think with no cap, NBA players would be paid the most though since there's only 5 guys on the court and 1 player can really make an impact. The top tier guys (probably cutoff at top 4) such as Durant, Davis, LeBron, and Curry would get at least $30 million. I think the cutoff would be at Harden.

See, in a situation like this I really think some rogue owner would go ridiculously over the top in order to instantly transform his franchise-- particularly in basketball, where 1 player makes such an enormous difference. Would you really be surprised if Cuban offered LeBron or Curry 50m annually if the league was cap-less? SHit, Dan Gilbert just gave Tristan Thompson 16m a year in a league that IS capped...

Teams still have to turn a profit. Sure an owner may go $50 million annually but they are either going to surround the team with crap (i.e. not enough team talent to win a ship) or spend frivolously 1 year, win a championship, then trade off pieces to return to profitability. These owners didn't make their millions by doing bad business deals. At the end of the day its still about getting in the green. Its just some teams (i.e. Lakers, Bulls, Knicks) have higher thresholds for profit than small market teams so they'd be able to flex their budget a heck of a lot more.

I don't think the short term profitability is a big deal with these pro sports teams when the valuations of these teams are skyrocketing. That is what really matters to owners and fielding a consistent loser won't increase the value of the brand and the franchise.

[xer0]

$31 mil a YEAR for some bum who is 2-7 with a 5.12 ERA in the playoffs... ?!?!?!

at Boston.

Bad ass sample size you're judging a pitcher on.

Fucking idiot.

[Repeat3peat]

$31 mil a YEAR for some bum who is 2-7 with a 5.12 ERA in the playoffs... ?!?!?!

at Boston.

Bad ass sample size you're judging a pitcher on.

Fucking idiot.

The Tigers signing likely turns out to be the worse of the bunch, BY FAR when all is said and done....so grateful the Cubs had no interest in Zimmerman...I mean....The fact that he had his worst year (in a contract year) in awhile, pitching in the garbage NL Least...and right around the the exact time when MANY people think the life expectancy of a Tommy John arm expires(7 years) would scare the hell out of me. Verlander type collapse, then a year + of surgery/rehab on the way....BOOK it.

lol @ Detoilet

[xer0]

$31 mil a YEAR for some bum who is 2-7 with a 5.12 ERA in the playoffs... ?!?!?!

at Boston.

Bad ass sample size you're judging a pitcher on.

Fucking idiot.

The Tigers signing likely turns out to be the worse of the bunch, BY FAR when all is said and done....so grateful the Cubs had no interest in Zimmerman...I mean....The fact that he had his worst year (in a contract year) in awhile, pitching in the garbage NL Least...and right around the the exact time when MANY people think the life expectancy of a Tommy John arm expires(7 years) would scare the hell out of me. Verlander type collapse, then a year + of surgery/rehab on the way....BOOK it.

lol @ Detoilet

Hey dickhead, what does any of that moronic post you made have to do with your boyfriend calling Price a 'bum' based on 63 Innings Pitched?

Or are you stupid enough to actually agree with him?

[Repeat3peat]

Bad ass sample size you're judging a pitcher on.

Fucking idiot.

The Tigers signing likely turns out to be the worse of the bunch, BY FAR when all is said and done....so grateful the Cubs had no interest in Zimmerman...I mean....The fact that he had his worst year (in a contract year) in awhile, pitching in the garbage NL Least...and right around the the exact time when MANY people think the life expectancy of a Tommy John arm expires(7 years) would scare the hell out of me. Verlander type collapse, then a year + of surgery/rehab on the way....BOOK it.

lol @ Detoilet

Hey dickhead, what does any of that moronic post you made have to do with your boyfriend calling Price a 'bum' based on 63 Innings Pitched?

Nothing other than it's true and makes you mad as a muhfucka like TDK's post obviously did...



As far as Price goes....not sure I am ready to give him the "bum" label....but 63 post season innings is a pretty nice sample size relatively speaking actually, How many starts was that over....?

[xer0]

So you ARE that stupid, why am I not surprised from a proven imbecile. 63 Innings > 1400+ Innings of 3 ERA ball is enough to call a pitcher a bum, according to tdk and his nut gobbling butt buddy.