2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #3

[thedangerouskitchen]

Kobe was a second-fiddle half his career... no way he belongs in the same tier as Magic, Bird, Shaq, Jabbar, Dream, et al.

That said, put me down for Larry Legend at #3.

That second fiddle turned out to be the 2nd best SG of all-time. We can bash Kobe and KKs all day and night but he's earned the right to be in the conversation with these guys.

We will agree to disagree, of course.

[americaninfidel]

Kobe was a second-fiddle half his career... no way he belongs in the same tier as Magic, Bird, Shaq, Jabbar, Dream, et al.

That said, put me down for Larry Legend at #3.

That second fiddle turned out to be the 2nd best SG of all-time. We can bash Kobe and KKs all day and night but he's earned the right to be in the conversation with these guys.

We will agree to disagree, of course.

Hmm, I think there's a relative consensus that Kobe was second only to Jordan at that position. Who would you put above him?

[thedangerouskitchen]

Kobe was a second-fiddle half his career... no way he belongs in the same tier as Magic, Bird, Shaq, Jabbar, Dream, et al.

That said, put me down for Larry Legend at #3.

You did that on purpose right?

Magic and Kareem both won regular season and Finals MVP's while they were teammates; they were co-lead dogs the majority of their tenure together.

Kobe didn't win squat when he played alongside Shaq - except 3 "second fiddle" rings.

[thedangerouskitchen]

That second fiddle turned out to be the 2nd best SG of all-time. We can bash Kobe and KKs all day and night but he's earned the right to be in the conversation with these guys.

We will agree to disagree, of course.

Hmm, I think there's a relative consensus that Kobe was second only to Jordan at that position. Who would you put above him?

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

[elmouse03]

We will agree to disagree, of course.

Hmm, I think there's a relative consensus that Kobe was second only to Jordan at that position. Who would you put above him?

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

[americaninfidel]

Hmm, I think there's a relative consensus that Kobe was second only to Jordan at that position. Who would you put above him?

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

Yeah, I don't get that either. West is reasonable; Wade, maybe. But I still think Kobe is better than either, and Drexler doesn't even belong in the conversation.

[vcsgrizzfan]

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

Yeah, I don't get that either. West is reasonable; Wade, maybe. But I still think Kobe is better than either, and Drexler doesn't even belong in the conversation.

Wade simply doesn't have the longevity to be in the conversation. His peak was admirable, but very short.

[elmouse03]

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

Yeah, I don't get that either. West is reasonable; Wade, maybe. But I still think Kobe is better than either, and Drexler doesn't even belong in the conversation.

Everybody on the board pretty much knows why TDK hates on Kobe as well as LeBron.

[Odogg]

Magic. Should have been no 2 , i was too late to vote.

[elmouse03]

I will vote for Magic.

[wailuaFC]

Kobe was a second-fiddle half his career... no way he belongs in the same tier as Magic, Bird, Shaq, Jabbar, Dream, et al.

That said, put me down for Larry Legend at #3.

You did that on purpose right?

Magic and Kareem both won regular season and Finals MVP's while they were teammates; they were co-lead dogs the majority of their tenure together.

Kobe didn't win squat when he played alongside Shaq - except 3 "second fiddle" rings.

Can you give me a breakdown and how to figure out which players are leaders, second fiddles, and co leaders? If media hardware is your only criteria, would curry and iggy be co leaders as they both won a MVP trophy as teammates?

[Master Spade]

Larry Bird


I have Bird at #2 on this list, so.....

[Y2K]

You did that on purpose right?

Magic and Kareem both won regular season and Finals MVP's while they were teammates; they were co-lead dogs the majority of their tenure together.

Kobe didn't win squat when he played alongside Shaq - except 3 "second fiddle" rings.

Can you give me a breakdown and how to figure out which players are leaders, second fiddles, and co leaders? If media hardware is your only criteria, would curry and iggy be co leaders as they both won a MVP trophy as teammates?

He praised Duncan for some of the same stuff that he's criticizing Kobe about. Duncan hasn't won any awards (MVP, FMVP, DPOY) since his FMVP in 2005, a span in which they've won 2 more rings. His entire resume was taken at face value and Kobe's resume isn't while being criticized for not winning any awards while Shaq was there? Why the hypocrisy?

[thedangerouskitchen]

Hmm, I think there's a relative consensus that Kobe was second only to Jordan at that position. Who would you put above him?

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

As a player, hell yeah... what's the debate?

[thedangerouskitchen]

You did that on purpose right?

Magic and Kareem both won regular season and Finals MVP's while they were teammates; they were co-lead dogs the majority of their tenure together.

Kobe didn't win squat when he played alongside Shaq - except 3 "second fiddle" rings.

Can you give me a breakdown and how to figure out which players are leaders, second fiddles, and co leaders? If media hardware is your only criteria, would curry and iggy be co leaders as they both won a MVP trophy as teammates?

Which player does the opposition game-plan to stop FIRST and foremost, and which player does the opposition most often double-triple team?

Answer those questions and you know who is your top-dog.

With the Showtime Lakers it was Magic/Kareem or Kareem/Magic through the majority of their time together... in Boston it was Bird, in Chicago Jordan, in Cleveland it's LeBron... and on those 3-Peat Lakers it was clearly Shaq, hands-down.

[elmouse03]

Kobe holds that distinction because of "total" Ring count only, which includes 3 of his 5 as a second-banana; but as players I would take West, Wade and Drexler over Kobe if I was starting a team (just off the top of my head).

Drexler over Kobe?

As a player, hell yeah... what's the debate?

Kobe is clearly better.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Magic and Kareem both won regular season and Finals MVP's while they were teammates; they were co-lead dogs the majority of their tenure together.

Kobe didn't win squat when he played alongside Shaq - except 3 "second fiddle" rings.

Can you give me a breakdown and how to figure out which players are leaders, second fiddles, and co leaders? If media hardware is your only criteria, would curry and iggy be co leaders as they both won a MVP trophy as teammates?

He praised Duncan for some of the same stuff that he's criticizing Kobe about. Duncan hasn't won any awards (MVP, FMVP, DPOY) since his FMVP in 2005, a span in which they've won 2 more rings. His entire resume was taken at face value and Kobe's resume isn't while being criticized for not winning any awards while Shaq was there? Why the hypocrisy?

Duncan was NEVER a second-fiddle for half his career... so he and Kobe aren't even remotely similar.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Drexler over Kobe?

As a player, hell yeah... what's the debate?

Kobe is clearly better.

Besides Volume shooting (ie; chuckin') name one facet of the game Kobe is better at than was Drexler.

[elmouse03]

As a player, hell yeah... what's the debate?

Kobe is clearly better.

Besides Volume shooting (ie; chuckin') name one facet of the game Kobe is better at than was Drexler.

Everything. Maybe other than passing and outside shooting but Drexler was better than MJ at that but nobody will choose Clyde over Jordan.

[Y2K]

Kareem from 1977-89:

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
1× NBA Finals MVP (1985)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (1977, 1980)
12× NBA All-Star (1977, 1979–1989)
5× All-NBA First Team (1977, 1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
4× All-NBA Second Team (1978–1979, 1983, 1985)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1979–1981)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1977–1978, 1984)
2× NBA blocks leader (1979–1980)

1011 games

9021/15792 fg = 58% FG
3858/5188 ft = 74%
21901 pts = 21.7 ppg
8896 rbs = 8.8 rpg
3239 ast = 3.2 apg
2356 blk = 2.3 bpg