Ghostown42 wrote:It's hilarious that you all think flopping just seemed to have started like the last 2 years. How long have you guys watched basketball? Flopping has happened all throughout history, even in the amazing 80s and 90s. Pippen was an excellent flopper, not to mention Rodman, Miller, Divac, etc. the problem is the refs fall for it a lot more now than they used to, so it is advantageous to flop in today's league.
LOL. Talk about a strawman.
So you are gonna deny that players flopped in the past? Ok! (Thumbs up!)
If you re defining "flopping" just by the standard in which you see in the OP or from Bronze on the regular.....Then NO....players in the past didn't flop.
lol
But like sins, and rings....all flops aren't created equal...so yes there was 'some' flopping in the past.
I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
And that "one" is about as much of a flop as Byron Russell's flop on "The shot"...
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
I don't think Jordan was a flopper, but Pippen sure was. Just as 1 example, watch the Finals in '98, especially games 3 and 4. If you google "Kobe flop" you get tons of videos also. Harden and Griffin are 2 all-stars who flop just as much, if not more than, LeBron. Durant does that patented arm swing that gets him so many FTs. Tons of players flop, have flopped, and are still flopping, yet for some reason on this board, we only hear about LeBron's flopping, and it only comes from LeBron haters...hmm...
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Another excuse.
You Do realize they had TV in the 80's and 90's right?
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Another excuse.
You Do realize they had TV in the 80's and 90's right?
What about Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, message boards, GIFs, etc...?
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Another excuse.
You Do realize they had TV in the 80's and 90's right?
yeah, but TV's back then didn't pick up on flops, and analyst were not invented yet...only the tech savvy inventions today can record flops...
zombiesonics wrote:
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Another excuse.
You Do realize they had TV in the 80's and 90's right?
What about Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, message boards, GIFs, etc...?
You don't think there are Jordan highlights on YouTube, people don't talk about him on message boards, and there are no GIF's?
You're such an excuse whore.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
You Do realize they had TV in the 80's and 90's right?
What about Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, message boards, GIFs, etc...?
You don't think there are Jordan highlights on YouTube, people don't talk about him on message boards, and there are no GIF's?
You're such an excuse whore.
Key word: highlights. His every move of every single game isn't/wasn't tracked and analyzed (like Lebron).
Ghostown42 wrote:It's hilarious that you all think flopping just seemed to have started like the last 2 years. How long have you guys watched basketball? Flopping has happened all throughout history, even in the amazing 80s and 90s. Pippen was an excellent flopper, not to mention Rodman, Miller, Divac, etc. the problem is the refs fall for it a lot more now than they used to, so it is advantageous to flop in today's league.
Yes It has been done before but now it started to get out of hand especially when many foreign players started coming over.
The problem is Stern, who some on here swear by, said they were going to fine players because it has gotten out of hand. Lebron is on of the biggest floppers ever and yet never has been fined. What makes it worse is that he is not really good at it so it is easy to see, so sad.
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
I don't think Jordan was a flopper, but Pippen sure was. Just as 1 example, watch the Finals in '98, especially games 3 and 4. If you google "Kobe flop" you get tons of videos also. Harden and Griffin are 2 all-stars who flop just as much, if not more than, LeBron. Durant does that patented arm swing that gets him so many FTs. Tons of players flop, have flopped, and are still flopping, yet for some reason on this board, we only hear about LeBron's flopping, and it only comes from LeBron haters...hmm...
ROFL @ comparing the arm swing to draw a foul to LeBron acting like he gets shot without being touched.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
zombiesonics wrote:
What about Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, message boards, GIFs, etc...?
You don't think there are Jordan highlights on YouTube, people don't talk about him on message boards, and there are no GIF's?
You're such an excuse whore.
Key word: highlights. His every move of every single game isn't/wasn't tracked and analyzed (like Lebron).
You know they have digital copies of ALL those games right. You personally should go through them and nitpick Jordans game. It would really make me reconsider that LeBron is a flopper. Really.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
I don't think Jordan was a flopper, but Pippen sure was. Just as 1 example, watch the Finals in '98, especially games 3 and 4. If you google "Kobe flop" you get tons of videos also. Harden and Griffin are 2 all-stars who flop just as much, if not more than, LeBron. Durant does that patented arm swing that gets him so many FTs. Tons of players flop, have flopped, and are still flopping, yet for some reason on this board, we only hear about LeBron's flopping, and it only comes from LeBron haters...hmm...
ROFL @ comparing the arm swing to draw a foul to LeBron acting like he gets shot without being touched.
Like this?
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Or this?
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Or this?
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Or this?
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There's plenty more, both of Kobe and other players...
Da Stars. wrote:I just Google MJ flopping. I found one highlight of him flopping. The one against Zeke. LeBron flops like a fish out of water. He is the best in the game. And the biggest flopping joke.
That's because Jordan didn't play in today's ultra high-tech era in which his every move is tracked and documented on the internet (ala Lebron).
If Jordan played in today's era, there'd be more videos of his flopped. Luckily, he played in a less critical and tech savvy era.
Then how come there are so many videos of Jordan's dunks and spectacular plays?
Some studio in Orlando dedicated quite a lot of time remastering all those images. They haven't had time to go through all the flops yet. It's a massive undertaking.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
Ghostown42 wrote:
I don't think Jordan was a flopper, but Pippen sure was. Just as 1 example, watch the Finals in '98, especially games 3 and 4. If you google "Kobe flop" you get tons of videos also. Harden and Griffin are 2 all-stars who flop just as much, if not more than, LeBron. Durant does that patented arm swing that gets him so many FTs. Tons of players flop, have flopped, and are still flopping, yet for some reason on this board, we only hear about LeBron's flopping, and it only comes from LeBron haters...hmm...
ROFL @ comparing the arm swing to draw a foul to LeBron acting like he gets shot without being touched.
Like this?
There's plenty more, both of Kobe and other players...
Another strawman post. Have you seen me or anyone in this thread say LeBron is the first and only flopper, ever? No. Yes, Kobe has flopped a few times. However, the best player in the game does it on a nightly basis, despite being 255lbs. What a coward pussy he is for flopping that badly, and also you and betasonics for defending his flopping by presenting other players flopping. Try to stay on topic and make a coherent argument if you want anyone to take you serious.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe you might block every shot."
Bill Russell
"I'm just 'bout that action, boss"
L.O.B. = Love our Brothers.
AlaskaHawks wrote:
You don't think there are Jordan highlights on YouTube, people don't talk about him on message boards, and there are no GIF's?
You're such an excuse whore.
Key word: highlights. His every move of every single game isn't/wasn't tracked and analyzed (like Lebron).
You know they have digital copies of ALL those games right. You personally should go through them and nitpick Jordans game. It would really make me reconsider that LeBron is a flopper. Really.
If Jordan flopped in the 2nd quarter of game 46 of the regular season against a below .500 team in Feburary of 1991... we'd never know. And even if you did, it would be instantly forgotten. There's no GIF, no internet discussion, no lasting documentation of that play (unlike today's era).
Hence, Jordan benefited from playing in a less critical, less tech savvygeneration.
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AlaskaHawks wrote:
ROFL @ comparing the arm swing to draw a foul to LeBron acting like he gets shot without being touched.
Like this?
There's plenty more, both of Kobe and other players...
Another strawman post. Have you seen me or anyone in this thread say LeBron is the first and only flopper, ever? No. Yes, Kobe has flopped a few times. However, the best player in the game does it on a nightly basis, despite being 255lbs. What a coward pussy he is for flopping that badly, and also you and betasonics for defending his flopping by presenting other players flopping. Try to stay on topic and make a coherent argument if you want anyone to take you serious.
The NBA/Stern/refs have shown since 2003, that no matter what Lebron does, that he will be exempted from obvious calls. Whether it's traveling, off arm extensions, calling fouls on him, flopping, etc., it's obvious the word was put out not to call those things on him. So what you have is a player who feels like he is above the game and is allowed to make a joke of the league.
zombiesonics wrote:
Key word: highlights. His every move of every single game isn't/wasn't tracked and analyzed (like Lebron).
You know they have digital copies of ALL those games right. You personally should go through them and nitpick Jordans game. It would really make me reconsider that LeBron is a flopper. Really.
If Jordan flopped in the 2nd quarter of game 46 of the regular season against a below .500 team in Feburary of 1991... we'd never know. And even if you did, it would be instantly forgotten. There's no GIF, no internet discussion, no lasting documentation of that play (unlike today's era).
Hence, Jordan benefited from playing in a less critical, less tech savvy genera generation.
You know they have digital copies of ALL those games right. You personally should go through them and nitpick Jordans game.
