Kobe at his peak was never as good as Curry is now

[ripper76]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that 3 point shooting efficiency is way up across the board than it was for players in the 90s for 2 reasons

In the 90s 3point line was further out and handchecking was allowed

The league purposely made the 3 point line closer and took away handchecking to help teams and players score more.

This fact alone negates any theory that Curry would have the same success in the 90s for the apparent reason is that he is exploiting the changes in the rules. Although he can knock it down from 40 out that's without a player handchecking him.

Do you have any idea what handchecking is? The way grizz and rtiff are sounding make me feel they have no idea what that rule was about or even moreso how it affected dribble penetration

The three point line was further out in the 90s? Are you sure about that?

I think someone might be requesting another name change soon...

I don't think leoss is entitled to anymore name changes.

[ripper76]

If I'm wrong about the line distances I apologize I just remember the distance was changed a few times in the 90s and a couple of times in the 2000s and I believe I read something on the Internet that stated it was closer in today's era than in the early 90s

[Robceltsfan]

leoss/Tiger/whoever is in the same class as many posters here.....a dumb troll

[thedangerouskitchen]

lol madnesss let the board drunkard beat him in a debate

At least Madness has the balls to debate... you're a bitch who wears your sife's skirts.

[Alex_Murphy]

If I'm wrong about the line distances I apologize I just remember the distance was changed a few times in the 90s and a couple of times in the 2000s and I believe I read something on the Internet that stated it was closer in today's era than in the early 90s

Early 90s 3 point line was still further than today's

Vcsgrizzfan is just nitpicking 95-97 when the line was moved closer for a brief stint

[vcsgrizzfan]

If I'm wrong about the line distances I apologize I just remember the distance was changed a few times in the 90s and a couple of times in the 2000s and I believe I read something on the Internet that stated it was closer in today's era than in the early 90s

You were and are confused. Since it's introduction to the NBA in the 79-80 season, it's been the same distance except for 3 seasons in the mid 90s when it was shortened by a foot and change away from the corners.

[ripper76]

If I'm wrong about the line distances I apologize I just remember the distance was changed a few times in the 90s and a couple of times in the 2000s and I believe I read something on the Internet that stated it was closer in today's era than in the early 90s

Early 90s 3 point line was still further than today's

Vcsgrizzfan is just nitpicking 95-97 when the line was moved closer for a brief stint

Oh sweet baby Jesus...

[Alex_Murphy]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

[Robceltsfan]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

Very, very debatable. The romanticism of perimeter defense from the 80's and 90's is disgusting on this board.

[Alex_Murphy]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

Very, very debatable. The romanticism of perimeter defense from the 80's and 90's is disgusting on this board.

Absolutey not... Handchecking is how defense should be played. Not touching a player leaves too much space between offensive player and defensive player for separation scenarios I.e. Getting juked/picked/crossed over

[vcsgrizzfan]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

Nah. That's pretty much baloney. Hand-checking affects slashers much, much more than shooters.

The one huge advantage Curry has and others that will follow him is that they grew up in the three point era so it was practiced religiously, much more so than players from 20-30 years ago. If guys like MJ had been born 20 years later and practiced the 3 their whole lives the way Curry did, who knows how much better at that part of the game he might have been. We won't ever know.

[rtiff68]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

If the distance is irrelevant than why did you attempt to warp the reality of it in order to fit your narrative?

[dwcmwa]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

Nah. That's pretty much baloney. Hand-checking affects slashers much, much more than shooters.

The one huge advantage Curry has and others that will follow him is that they grew up in the three point era so it was practiced religiously, much more so than players from 20-30 years ago. If guys like MJ had been born 20 years later and practiced the 3 their whole lives the way Curry did, who knows how much better at that part of the game he might have been. We won't ever know.

He would have averaged 50ppg that's what.

And would have gotten 100, certainly more than 81.

[Alex_Murphy]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

Nah. That's pretty much baloney. Hand-checking affects slashers much, much more than shooters.

The one huge advantage Curry has and others that will follow him is that they grew up in the three point era so it was practiced religiously, much more so than players from 20-30 years ago. If guys like MJ had been born 20 years later and practiced the 3 their whole lives the way Curry did, who knows how much better at that part of the game he might have been. We won't ever know.

Shooters always get open because of screens... This is where curry would excel in any era

The part of his game that would be affected by the HC rule would have been his ball handling and penetration. Without the handcheck Curry is free to dribble the ball full court at full speed stop on a dime change direction and Pop it from 30 out.

Handchecking would have ensured a defender could impede his speed and control by hip checking and hand checking those Hail Mary shots he takes walking the ball up would have been nonexistent in the 90s

Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good player he would... But not averaging 30ppg and not at the clip and rate he is currently at. He would have to worker harder to get those points in the 90s

[Robceltsfan]

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[Alex_Murphy]

Like I said really the 3 point distance is irrelevant to curry he can hit it from half court if he wants

The main juggernaut is the handchecking rule which would have slowed down his open looks tenfold - undebatable.

If the distance is irrelevant than why did you attempt to warp the reality of it in order to fit your narrative?

I said it was irrelevant to curry. Go back and read correctly ...I'm not warping anything it is easier to shoot the 3 in today's era. And I still stand by that.

[Robceltsfan]

Take a look at that video, and most importantly, pay attention to quotes from guys like MJ, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, etc. about the advent of zone defense in the NBA and how its effect on star players was worse than anything the non-zone era could produce.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Hand-Checking. Hand-checking is defined as illegal contact by a defensive player which impedes the forward and/or lateral movement of the offensive player. Hand-checking should be dealt with early in the game, with particular attention being paid during perimeter play and drives to the basket.

Clyde Drexler:
"In my day, defenders played you with two hands and an elbow. You're not getting by a guy, especially if he has an elbow and a hand on you, and is a strong defensive player. Take that away, oh my goodness, it's open season. You can't touch the perimeter players today, and the guy with the ball has such a huge advantage because of the first step. He knows where he is going on that first step and the defensive player can't do anything about it. You better hope that you have a seven-footer behind you to protect the basket or it's over.

...and of course, today you don't have 7-footers protecting the basket because they're all on the perimeter chuckin' jumpers.

That said, Steph Curry in the hand-check era = Reggie Miller... which is nothing to be ashamed of, of course.

[Robceltsfan]

I disagree about the theory that MJ could have been a deadly 3 point shooter. You don't have to be practicing that from 3 years old. You can't even shoot properly when you're too young and weak.

Curry learned to shoot properly only during his college career. He spent a month with his dad completely re-working his stroke. MJ could have done the same at any point in his career. He wasn't as good a shooter because he wasn't as good a shooter.

Jordan fans making that statement are the same ones laughing when Lebron said he could shooting 90% from the line if he wanted to.

Homeriffic.

[Alex_Murphy]

Hand-Checking. Hand-checking is defined as illegal contact by a defensive player which impedes the forward and/or lateral movement of the offensive player. Hand-checking should be dealt with early in the game, with particular attention being paid during perimeter play and drives to the basket.

Clyde Drexler:
"In my day, defenders played you with two hands and an elbow. You're not getting by a guy, especially if he has an elbow and a hand on you, and is a strong defensive player. Take that away, oh my goodness, it's open season. You can't touch the perimeter players today, and the guy with the ball has such a huge advantage because of the first step. He knows where he is going on that first step and the defensive player can't do anything about it. You better hope that you have a seven-footer behind you to protect the basket or it's over.

...and of course, today you don't have 7-footers protecting the basket because they're all on the perimeter chuckin' jumpers.

That said, Steph Curry in the hand-check era = Reggie Miller... which is nothing to be ashamed of, of course.

Pretty much supports my "narrative" to a tee.

Signing off...