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It sucks being part Jap and looking Mexican. With the way white fags like Andy Cooper and minorities react toward Trump/common sense, I want to join the Klan, Alt-right, or any of those white supremacy groups but my appearance keeps me out.

Anybody can pick up a history book and see white people really are superior to other races in all things meaningful. Recognizing white superiority doesn't make me and Trump a racist.
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TheSaboteur wrote:
I don't understand this sentence.
Country 1:

White: 85%
Black: 10%
Hispanic: 4%
Asian: 1%

Country 2:

White: 62%
Black: 12%
Hispanic: 18%
Asian: 6%

If they start from the same place, Country 1 will be associated with higher quality of life compared to Country 2, both in the short term, and especially over time.

When I say all else being equal, I just mean holding all other variables constant at the start of the thought experiment (like geography, initial wealth, political alliances, weather, etc...). It's not possible to reach in reality, but a way to analyze the influence of the variables we care about without outcomes being confounded.

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lettherebehouse wrote:It sucks being part Jap and looking Mexican. With the way white fags like Andy Cooper and minorities react toward Trump/common sense, I want to join the Klan, Alt-right, or any of those white supremacy groups but my appearance keeps me out.

Anybody can pick up a history book and see white people really are superior to other races in all things meaningful. Recognizing white superiority doesn't make me and Trump a racist.
The alt right isn’t what they think they are. It’s mostly just virgin faggots with mild autism. All white supremacists don’t look like Edward Norton in American History X, although they wish they did.

Although I agree with you about non-whites just swallowing their pride and recognizing the general superiority of the white race. Most non-whites already do it anyway even if they don’t want to admit it. No matter how much they outwardly complain about white people, they risk life and limb to go live in white countries.

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lettherebehouse wrote:It sucks being part Jap and looking Mexican. With the way white fags like Andy Cooper and minorities react toward Trump/common sense, I want to join the Klan, Alt-right, or any of those white supremacy groups but my appearance keeps me out.

Anybody can pick up a history book and see white people really are superior to other races in all things meaningful. Recognizing white superiority doesn't make me and Trump a racist.
That's demonstrably untrue, fam.

I Q scores

Ashkenazi Jews (who for some reason some folks don't categorize as white.)
Asians
White
Hispanics
Blacks.

As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11,250% above average.


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Sudanese Sensation wrote:
lettherebehouse wrote:It sucks being part Jap and looking Mexican. With the way white fags like Andy Cooper and minorities react toward Trump/common sense, I want to join the Klan, Alt-right, or any of those white supremacy groups but my appearance keeps me out.

Anybody can pick up a history book and see white people really are superior to other races in all things meaningful. Recognizing white superiority doesn't make me and Trump a racist.
That's demonstrably untrue, fam.

I Q scores

Ashkenazi Jews (who for some reason some folks don't categorize as white.)
Asians
White
Hispanics
Blacks.

As of 2017, Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to 892 individuals,[1] of whom 201 or 22.5% were Jews,[note 2] although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population.[2] This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11,250% above average.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_J ... _laureates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Asians go hard too, especially post industrialization. But historically, whites have been at it since Rome and Greece. It'd be like Vince Carter choosing to ring chase with Giannis instead of Lebron in 2018.
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zombiesonics wrote:
The alt right isn’t what they think they are. It’s mostly just virgin faggots with mild autism. All white supremacists don’t look like Edward Norton in American History X, although they wish they did.

Although I agree with you about non-whites just swallowing their pride and recognizing the general superiority of the white race. Most non-whites already do it anyway even if they don’t want to admit it. No matter how much they outwardly complain about white people, they risk life and limb to go live in white countries.
From my personal experiences, the average Alt-Right individual is more or less a regular white person who is simply red-pilled on issues of race/culture/sex, and who wants to take a direct offensive against cultural marxism, leftists, and their cousins. They give priority to *actual* nations over and above the propositional nation.

The average Republican is a white person who is purple-pilled on those issues, but who thinks the correct approach is to take a defensive position against cultural marxism, leftists, and their cousins. They give priority to the propositional nation over and above *actual* nations.

The average alt-Reich individual is usually larping, an idiot, or trying to join a mass movement because of their own personal inadequacies, which indeed often relate to most of them being ugly virgins.

I don't think that non-White people need to feel threatened or ashamed of themselves, and I truly hope they don't. Like I said before, I don't think these things we are talking about speak to someone's value as a human being.
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Sudanese Sensation wrote:

IQ scores

Ashkenazi Jews (who for some reason some folks don't categorize as white.)
Asians
White
Hispanics
Blacks.
Speaking to this point in isolation, it's a bit off to take the highest performing subgroup (Ashkenazi Jews) of a larger group (Jews), and then compare to another group that combines low, average, and high subgroups ("Whites" and "Asians"). For example, IQ is generally higher in Western and Northeast Europe than Eastern Europe or Eurasia. China/Japan/Korea has it all over Thailand/Laos/Cambodia. Ashkenazi Jews are significantly different than Sephardi Jews and light years beyond Ethiopian Jews, etc...

You have to break down all relevant subgroups if you want to make those comparisons.
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
elartman1973 wrote: Seriously dude...open your eyes...you're totally focused on claiming blacks and other non whites are inferior from the get go...and that's just not true
Nope. And you can fuck off with that nonsense.

I'm simply letting the historical record (and science, but I don't even need to touch that in this thread) speak for itself regarding group differences and how they impact culture/politics/outcomes.

With the usual caveats about these being trends/averages/aggregates and not applying to every member of a group, and about these things are irrelevant to human rights, the historical record is exceptionally clear on the things we've discussed in this thread.

A country mirroring United States demographics pre-1965 will *unquestionably* be superior to a country with demographics mirroring United States 2018, all else being equal of course. If you can't admit that, you aren't honest enough to discuss any of these topics because it's blatantly obvious. It's basically on the level of 2 plus 2 equaling 4.
So you admit to living in the past....
This isn't the past motherfucker...its 2018 yo
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
Sudanese Sensation wrote:

IQ scores

Ashkenazi Jews (who for some reason some folks don't categorize as white.)
Asians
White
Hispanics
Blacks.
Speaking to this point in isolation, it's a bit off to take the highest performing subgroup (Ashkenazi Jews) of a larger group (Jews), and then compare to another group that combines low, average, and high subgroups ("Whites" and "Asians"). For example, IQ is generally higher in Western and Northeast Europe than Eastern Europe or Eurasia. China/Japan/Korea has it all over Thailand/Laos/Cambodia. Ashkenazi Jews are significantly different than Sephardi Jews and light years beyond Ethiopian Jews, etc...

You have to break down all relevant subgroups if you want to make those comparisons.
I believe those IQs are from the US where most Ashkenazi Jews reside. Most Sephardi, as you are aware, are in Israel. You have to admit that .02% of the world's population garnering 22% of the Nobel Prizes is a monumental achievement.

But we can overinterpret these things, going from the particular to the universal, every people has their geniuses and dullards.
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elartman1973 wrote:
So you admit to living in the past....
This isn't the past motherfucker...its 2018 yo
I'm not living in the past.

I'm using information from the past to change (hopefully) the future.

If I'm picking sides for a basketball game, without knowing anything else, I'm going to pick the 6'4'' Black guy over the 5'6'' White guy, because historical data has shown that Black people are generally better at basketball and that height is usually correlated with basketball success.

I'm not going to say "it's 2018", and pretend the two are equally likely to contribute in equal ways to the team.
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Sudanese Sensation wrote: I believe those IQs are from the US where most Ashkenazi Jews reside. Most Sephardi, as you are aware, are in Israel. You have to admit that .02% of the world's population garnering 22% of the Nobel Prizes is a monumental achievement.

But we can overinterpret these things, going from the particular to the universal, every people has their geniuses and dullards.
Yes, obviously Ashkenazi Jews are disproportionately represented in most intellectual areas, and *wildly* overrepresented in areas that draw heavily on verbal intelligence (contrast that to areas that draw more from mathematical and spatial intelligence), and therefore punch above their weight in terms of intellectual contribution. No one with a brain denies that.

And yes, every group has smart and dumb people. It's a matter of proportion, which is why it's usually better to drill down, especially when there is a meaningful amount of variance within a group that is lumped together by some singular attribute.

For example, "Asian" has countries with an average IQ of 108 (Hong Kong) to 87 (Indonesia). That isn't a trivial difference.
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:
So you admit to living in the past....
This isn't the past motherfucker...its 2018 yo
I'm not living in the past.

I'm using information from the past to change (hopefully) the future.

If I'm picking sides for a basketball game, without knowing anything else, I'm going to pick the 6'4'' Black guy over the 5'6'' White guy, because historical data has shown that Black people are generally better at basketball and that height is usually correlated with basketball success.

I'm not going to say "it's 2018", and pretend the two are equally likely to contribute in equal ways to the team.
Economic theory would suggest the most efficient society has a mix of people with all kinds of capabilities and intelligence. If we become a nation of geniuses who will pick up the garbage ?
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
Sudanese Sensation wrote: I believe those IQs are from the US where most Ashkenazi Jews reside. Most Sephardi, as you are aware, are in Israel. You have to admit that .02% of the world's population garnering 22% of the Nobel Prizes is a monumental achievement.

But we can overinterpret these things, going from the particular to the universal, every people has their geniuses and dullards.
Yes, obviously Ashkenazi Jews are disproportionately represented in most intellectual areas, and *wildly* overrepresented in areas that draw heavily on verbal intelligence (contrast that to areas that draw more from mathematical and spatial intelligence), and therefore punch above their weight in terms of intellectual contribution. No one with a brain denies that.

And yes, every group has smart and dumb people. It's a matter of proportion, which is why it's usually better to drill down, especially when there is a meaningful amount of variance within a group that is lumped together by some singular attribute.
Then why are most of the Nobel Prizes garnered in the hard sciences like medicine ?

Economics isn't a hard science but it requires mathematical ability. They shine there too.
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Sudanese Sensation wrote:
Bush4Ever35 wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:
So you admit to living in the past....
This isn't the past motherfucker...its 2018 yo
I'm not living in the past.

I'm using information from the past to change (hopefully) the future.

If I'm picking sides for a basketball game, without knowing anything else, I'm going to pick the 6'4'' Black guy over the 5'6'' White guy, because historical data has shown that Black people are generally better at basketball and that height is usually correlated with basketball success.

I'm not going to say "it's 2018", and pretend the two are equally likely to contribute in equal ways to the team.
Economic theory would suggest the most efficient society has a mix of people with all kinds of capabilities and intelligence. If we become a nation of geniuses who will pick up the garbage ?
They’ll invent robots to pick up their garbage for them.
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zombiesonics wrote:
Sudanese Sensation wrote:
Bush4Ever35 wrote:
I'm not living in the past.

I'm using information from the past to change (hopefully) the future.

If I'm picking sides for a basketball game, without knowing anything else, I'm going to pick the 6'4'' Black guy over the 5'6'' White guy, because historical data has shown that Black people are generally better at basketball and that height is usually correlated with basketball success.

I'm not going to say "it's 2018", and pretend the two are equally likely to contribute in equal ways to the team.


Economic theory would suggest the most efficient society has a mix of people with all kinds of capabilities and intelligence. If we become a nation of geniuses who will pick up the garbage ?
They’ll invent robots to pick up their garbage for them.
We are generations away from eliminating the need for menial labor but we are slowly moving in that direction.
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Sudanese Sensation wrote:
Bush4Ever35 wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:
So you admit to living in the past....
This isn't the past motherfucker...its 2018 yo
I'm not living in the past.

I'm using information from the past to change (hopefully) the future.

If I'm picking sides for a basketball game, without knowing anything else, I'm going to pick the 6'4'' Black guy over the 5'6'' White guy, because historical data has shown that Black people are generally better at basketball and that height is usually correlated with basketball success.

I'm not going to say "it's 2018", and pretend the two are equally likely to contribute in equal ways to the team.
Economic theory would suggest the most efficient society has a mix of people with all kinds of capabilities and intelligence. If we become a nation of geniuses who will pick up the garbage ?
What? This has to be one of your dumber statements.

There is -no- net benefit from having people of a lower intelligence in a society, that's merely willful retardation of advancement.

You're advocating for the need of a lower caste of people so someone can pickup the garbage?
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Then why are most of the Nobel Prizes garnered in the hard sciences like medicine ?
Dude, you can't extrapolate trends about millions of people from the upper-upper-upper most crust of groups.

There is a whole literature on this. Its not (random) guessing.

They are above-average in most things intellectual, but *WAY-WAY* above-average in verbal intelligence.
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
TheSaboteur wrote:
I don't understand this sentence.
Country 1:

White: 85%
Black: 10%
Hispanic: 4%
Asian: 1%

Country 2:

White: 62%
Black: 12%
Hispanic: 18%
Asian: 6%

If they start from the same place, Country 1 will be associated with higher quality of life compared to Country 2, both in the short term, and especially over time.

When I say all else being equal, I just mean holding all other variables constant at the start of the thought experiment (like geography, initial wealth, political alliances, weather, etc...). It's not possible to reach in reality, but a way to analyze the influence of the variables we care about without outcomes being confounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceteris_paribus" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Oh ok, I didn't realize you were talking about US demographics specifically.
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Sudanese Sensation wrote:
Economic theory would suggest the most efficient society has a mix of people with all kinds of capabilities and intelligence. If we become a nation of geniuses who will pick up the garbage ?
Not taking in people from shithole countries is not equivalent to voting for expelling people with a sub-135 IQ (or whatever).

Believe it or not, when America was 90 percent White, the garbage did in fact get picked up, hotel rooms were in fact cleaned, and fruits/veggies were in fact picked from the field.
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Bush4Ever35 wrote:
Sudanese Sensation wrote:
Then why are most of the Nobel Prizes garnered in the hard sciences like medicine ?
Dude, you can't extrapolate trends about millions of people from the upper-upper-upper most crust of groups.

There is a whole literature on this. Its not (random) guessing.

They are above-average in most thing intellectual, but *WAY-WAY* above-average in verbal intelligence.
That's a fair point which takes me back to my original point about the variability of IQ within groups. Yes, some groups have more geniuses than dullards within their ranks, but no group has a monopoly on dullards or geniuses.

Also, I have read that there is some angst among American Jews as their SAT scores are dropping. IMHO, it is a function of succeeding generations no longer feeling the need to excel, to go beyond, to be extraordinary. They just want to be like everybody else, average.
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