2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #24 selection

[vcsgrizzfan]

The Disrespect for a Player with 6 Championships, and one of the Best Defensive players of All Time is disgusting!!



So.......Scottie Pippen isn't a top 25 Player of All Time!!!????

Unfortunately his resume is sorely lacking major impact other than years 1990-98.

I think his time is coming pretty soon now. Somewhere in the next 5 for certain.

[wailuaFC]

I was talking about you voting for D-Rob over barkley, yet saying the barkley outplayed the #1 player all time.

Note: Im not very good at trolling

Second note: In no way was barkley as physically gifted as D-rob. Youre comparing a legit 7 footer built with lean muscle to a 5'2 power forward whose damn nickname was the round mound of rebound. D-rob was long, lean, muscular, and super quick, whereas charles was short, stocky, and only second to chuck hayes in his ability to grow roots and be unmovable. Did charles have some unique gifts? Absolutely, but his long arms were not as long as D-robs, nor was his vertical as high (guessing on this one, cant find a measurement for D-rob but from film D-rob looked like a much higher jumper).

What does Barkley outplaying Jordan at the Olympic trials for two weeks before a pro career have anything to do with how he performed vs. D-Rob over a 15 year NBA career? Non-sequitur much?

If you don't think Barkley was *comparably* athletic to David Robinson, you simply don't know what you are looking at, or you are looking at athletic ability through a ridiculously narrow lens.

Barkley was physically stronger, had a stronger core, was a much quicker and more explosive leaper (hint: this is one of the main reasons why he outrebounded so many taller individuals, especially on second and third type leaps) and possessed superior end to end speed and superior quickness.

I think some of you all have the old, *truly* fat Barkley from Houston in your minds. Watch tape of Barkley from his later 76er years if you want a more accurate assessment of his true, natural talent (basically, before his laziness ultimately caught up with him).

D-Rob's height, build, and conditioning were all indeed big pluses for him as well, and his combination of height, lateral movement, and agility/dexterity was *also* at the extreme end of the scale in terms of athletic ability and basically unequaled.

But so was Barkley's combination of attributes. No one in history *clearly and overwhelmingly* had a better combination of speed, explosiveness, and strength than Charles Barkley.

I mean people, Barkley beat the shit out of guys significantly taller and bigger than him all the time. Grabbing rebounds, getting easy buckets galore inside, etc...as a 6'5'' player. What the hell do you think was the cause of that?

That being said, I do have practice. I hope you all be trolling me son, because some of you are coming off as completely insane. I know I'm not insane (at least not anymore, my therapist says so), so it must be you all. You all better watch it. Yes, even you Ripper. If you don't stop talking shit, I'll imply that you are a pedophile based on the content of your avatar. And you don't want that.

As far as the first part goes, look at my first note.

I am certainly not underrating Sir Charles, for heavens sakes I was the first to nominate him and have been voting for him for the past few rounds, I know just how dominant he was. I think our biggest difference in this situation is you equating strength and arm length to athleticism and I am not. I know a lot of very strong people that arent athletic, while it helps to get the most out of the tools you posses, strength is not a prerequisite for athleticism. Chucks biggest advantage was his strength and body positioning, thats why he was getting all those boards, not due to athleticism (out jumping, out running to loose balls, etc). Im honestly a bit puzzled as to how you dont think D-Rob had a considerable physical advantage. With all their measurable taken into affect, there isnt a single person who would dare think of saying barkley was physically superior. That being said, Barkley was able to utilize his strengths to the extent that years later some guys over the internet would argue about who was more physically gifted between he and this man

[876Stephen]

I guess Barkley's got this one wrapped up. Oh well. On to number 25 which will be Thomas.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I guess Barkley's got this one wrapped up. Oh well. On to number 25 which will be Thomas.

I'm not sold Thomas will win the next round. He has had the same guys voting for him and not building on that base and I think even some of the people who have voted for him are maybe having second thoughts, even if they won't admit it.

[876Stephen]

I guess Barkley's got this one wrapped up. Oh well. On to number 25 which will be Thomas.

I'm not sold Thomas will win the next round. He has had the same guys voting for him and not building on that base and I think even some of the people who have voted for him are maybe having second thoughts, even if they won't admit it.

Im starting to be a little convinced as well. Thomas may have been the most important cog, but a cog none the less. I'll ceremoniously vote Barry next round, but i will change it once i see how the vote goes. Barry obviously doesn't have the respect or recognition from this board which is fine with me.

[Carpediem77]

I think it should be Isiah, but in the interest of moving on I will go with Charles "Athletes are not role models" Barkley.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And as an FYI...it was widely recognized that Barkley (not Jordan) was the best player during the 1984 Olympic trials.

He basically got cut because he trolled Bobby Knight, and Knight was afraid he couldn't control him, but Barkley was a monster in that regard from day one. Absolutely overwhelming physical force of nature.

Barkley was probably the best player during the Dream Team run, too.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I guess Barkley's got this one wrapped up. Oh well. On to number 25 which will be Thomas.

I'm not sold Thomas will win the next round. He has had the same guys voting for him and not building on that base and I think even some of the people who have voted for him are maybe having second thoughts, even if they won't admit it.

Im starting to be a little convinced as well. Thomas may have been the most important cog, but a cog none the less. I'll ceremoniously vote Barry next round, but i will change it once i see how the vote goes. Barry obviously doesn't have the respect or recognition from this board which is fine with me.

Barry should be voted in very soon... even if his prime years were in the ABA/NBA fractured leagues days and he wore a terrible wig.

[Wishbone]

I guess Barkley's got this one wrapped up. Oh well. On to number 25 which will be Thomas.

I'm not sold Thomas will win the next round. He has had the same guys voting for him and not building on that base and I think even some of the people who have voted for him are maybe having second thoughts, even if they won't admit it.

Im starting to be a little convinced as well. Thomas may have been the most important cog, but a cog none the less. I'll ceremoniously vote Barry next round, but i will change it once i see how the vote goes. Barry obviously doesn't have the respect or recognition from this board which is fine with me.

I'm on the fence. Thomas or Rick Barry. convince me that Thomas is better.

[Y2K]

I'm not sold Thomas will win the next round. He has had the same guys voting for him and not building on that base and I think even some of the people who have voted for him are maybe having second thoughts, even if they won't admit it.

Im starting to be a little convinced as well. Thomas may have been the most important cog, but a cog none the less. I'll ceremoniously vote Barry next round, but i will change it once i see how the vote goes. Barry obviously doesn't have the respect or recognition from this board which is fine with me.

I'm on the fence. Thomas or Rick Barry. convince me that Thomas is better.

I can't convince you. I'm not sure myself.

[Bush4Ever]

Barkley was probably the best player during the Dream Team run, too.

I was a little jumpy last night, but this is true as well, although I don't know how relevant that is because the competition was so weak relative to the Dream Team. In 1984, there were serious enough threats that everyone had to play to their maximum ability. Russia was seen as a serious threat (even though they ultimately boycotted), and IIRC they only beat Germany by 10 points or so.

But Barkley had very extreme amounts of natural talent. It was just delivered in a very unusual package, which throws people off a bit. I also think Barkley's physical/natural advantages were a bit more subtle and difficult to directly and easily observe (like core strength---where Barkley was an absolute freak).

Like I said earlier, his leaping ability is probably the cleanest example. I don't think I've seen a player combine explosive and *quick* leaping ability like Barkley did, let alone at such a relatively heavy size.

Even in terms of pure vertical leaping ability, Barkley tested out at 37 inches. For a frame of reference, Wade (a lithe, super athletic player who was maybe 40-50 pounds lighter) tested out at 35 inches in 2003.

Man...dude.

Okay, I'm done.

[Robceltsfan]

Barkley had an 11-year stretch where his line was:

24.2/11.9/4.1/55.0FG%

Crazy...

[Bush4Ever]

In order to get people to appreciate Scottie Pippen, I will submit a highlight clip from the greatest NBA VHS series of all time.

[youtube]znzoev0pMAw[/youtube]

[Wishbone]

In order to get people to appreciate Scottie Pippen, I will submit a highlight clip from the greatest NBA VHS series of all time.

[youtube]znzoev0pMAw[/youtube]

I'm not voting Robin into the super hero hall of fame. It's as simple as that really. It might not be fair to him, but at the end of the day I still see him as a sidekick and always will. Good one, but I'm gonna say not even top 50.

[Bush4Ever]

Dude...he was on Superstars 2.

Come on!

[Robceltsfan]

In order to get people to appreciate Scottie Pippen, I will submit a highlight clip from the greatest NBA VHS series of all time.

[youtube]znzoev0pMAw[/youtube]

I'm not voting Robin into the super hero hall of fame. It's as simple as that really. It might not be fair to him, but at the end of the day I still see him as a sidekick and always will. Good one, but I'm gonna say not even top 50.

The problem I have with Pippen is that even as the #1 option for his entire career, I don't see him winning any league MVP's and I don't see a Scottie Pippen led team winning a title.

He's quite possibly the greatest complimentary player of all-time, but I simply can't see him in the top 25 and it should really be closer to 35-40.

Many here will disagree.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Dude...he was on Superstars 2.

Come on!

[Bush4Ever]

The problem I have with Pippen is that even as the #1 option for his entire career, I don't see him winning any league MVP's and I don't see a Scottie Pippen led team winning a title.

He's quite possibly the greatest complimentary player of all-time, but I simply can't see him in the top 25 and it should really be closer to 35-40.

Many here will disagree.

Dude, in 1994 he was 3rd in the MVP vote, and came within a (blown) call of beating the team that came within (Hakeem's) a fingertip of winning the title.

Is it *that* unlikely he would have won an MVP or title as a lead player?

I think a little too much is made of him being a "sidekick". There is absolutely no reason why a sidekick on one team can't be a better or greater player than a lead dog (even a great one) on another team, especially when we are talking about a sidekick to the GOAT (as voted by us anyway).

[AbeVigodaLive]

The problem I have with Pippen is that even as the #1 option for his entire career, I don't see him winning any league MVP's and I don't see a Scottie Pippen led team winning a title.

He's quite possibly the greatest complimentary player of all-time, but I simply can't see him in the top 25 and it should really be closer to 35-40.

Many here will disagree.

Dude, in 1994 he was 3rd in the MVP vote, and came within a (blown) call of beating the team that came within (Hakeem's) a fingertip of winning the title.

Is it *that* unlikely he would have won an MVP or title as a lead player?

I think a little too much is made of him being a "sidekick". There is absolutely no reason why a sidekick on one team can't be a better or greater player than a lead dog (even a great one) on another team, especially when we are talking about a sidekick to the GOAT (as voted by us anyway).

dwcma... is that you?

He lost in the 2nd round. Bottom line. We aren't holding anybody back for winning because of bad calls. So we can't give extra credit for guys on the other end of bad calls.

Besides, let's remember how the Bulls even got to a Game 7... Toni Kukoc hit the dagger in game 3 while Pippen pouted on the bench. (No, not migraines that time... petulance.)

[Robceltsfan]

The problem I have with Pippen is that even as the #1 option for his entire career, I don't see him winning any league MVP's and I don't see a Scottie Pippen led team winning a title.

He's quite possibly the greatest complimentary player of all-time, but I simply can't see him in the top 25 and it should really be closer to 35-40.

Many here will disagree.

Dude, in 1994 he was 3rd in the MVP vote, and came within a (blown) call of beating the team that came within (Hakeem's) a fingertip of winning the title.

Is it *that* unlikely he would have won an MVP or title as a lead player?

I think a little too much is made of him being a "sidekick". There is absolutely no reason why a sidekick on one team can't be a better or greater player than a lead dog (even a great one) on another team, especially when we are talking about a sidekick to the GOAT (as voted by us anyway).

No, it's not *that* unlikely, but I don't think it happens. He simply wasn't enough of an offensive threat.