So I guess Steph Curry is gonna start getting hyped as The Next Jordan... ???

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Jordan was different the NBA made it easier for Jordan after changing the contact rules. If Detroit could still abuse him, he'd would be ringless. Defenses had the formula for stopping the Jordan type (Dr. J, Drexler etc)
His team plays great defense, he plays seventh in that scheme. His defense is a little better than porous but his great shooting makes it matter less.
The average NBA talent is the same as always, but who is currently the best defensive pg? We have a lot of Rafer Alston pg's now and no Gary Payton. Physical talent is at an all time high, but intellect has fallen off


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So you're arguing that defenses used to be intellectually superior? Not to put words in your mouth, but when I read that it tells me that you're saying that defenses used to be more sophisticated and/or complicated, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

Team defenses did used to be more physical (although the extent to which they were is often greatly exaggerated), but they were also far more simplistic and not necessarily more effective overall. Mark Price thrashed defenses during the hand check era, and he was 6'0, 170lbs and not particularly muscular. Isiah Thomas did the same at a whopping 6'1, 180lbs (Curry is 6'3 185lbs, for the record).
Players don't play as smart on either end of the floor so of course defense would be affected.
The way to stop Price and Thomas was make them defend. That is my point. You can't let them go off and not have to defend. Also, when Curry has a bad night, his team is so great that it doesn't matter, but it isn't just him.


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Both Thomas and 'Zeke dominated, though. The latter was the best player on a team that won two titles. If those guys had that degree of success in the hand check era, I have a hard time seeing how Curry wouldn't, especially when you consider that he's bigger, has a better handle, and is a better shooter than either of them.

...and I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree when it comes to "how smart" players play now compared to the past. Team offenses used to be largely based around throwing the ball to post-up big on the block and allowing him to execute a move in the post. The better your big guy was, the better your team was.

Offenses are far more creative and diverse in how they attack defenses today. Football and basketball are similar in this regard: game-plans and playbooks are far more sophisticated, physicality, lumber-jacking, etc. are tolerated by the officials less.
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Rtiff68, throwing the ball to the post was the best strategy. The idea was get as close as possible to the basket. That is precisely why the three point shot is effective, no one wants to leave the inside open


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No one wants to give an open lane to the basket. The post up is a pretty inefficient shot.
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LookAway wrote:Rtiff68, throwing the ball to the post was the best strategy. The idea was get as close as possible to the basket. That is precisely why the three point shot is effective, no one wants to leave the inside open


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It was the best strategy.

Due to that fact, team offenses adjusted: shooting became an important skill for every position, not just the players in the back court, and teams started forcing plodding, back to the basket guys into high pick-and-roll situations and forcing them to guard out to the 3-point line.

Isolation ball down on the block is at an all time low because a lot of those players are massive defensive liabilities against athletic teams who can stretch the floor from several positions, move without the ball constantly, and attack the rim on cuts to the basket.

The mid-range game has also started to go the way of the dinosaur because it simply makes more sense to take a step back or two and take a 3. If you're not within 5 feet of the rim, you're more than likely shooting from beyond the arc in order to maximize efficiency (not everyone is doing it to the extreme that HOU does, but everyone is largely doing it).
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Robceltsfan wrote:Curry is legitimately a better offensive player than Jordan ever was. He affects defenses in a way that no other player really ever has. He's a better shooter than any other player in history....by a decently wide margin.

But he's not as good all-around as Jordan was. Not quite the complete player.

I never thought I'd see someone I'd rather have play offense for my team that wasn't named Jordan. That day has come.
Better shooter yes
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CleveTown™ wrote:Next "Jordan"? lol funny. Jordone is no better than 4th-5th ever. Curry might be the next LeBron if he's lucky.
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l3bron wrote:No one wants to give an open lane to the basket. The post up is a pretty inefficient shot.
Why not, the three pointer is far more valuable. Who would want to shoot from that close considering it is only worth 2 points


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