NBA MVP Shares Top-10 All-Time

[kobeunderbite]

Rank Player MVP Shares
1. LeBron James 8.815
2. Michael Jordan 8.115
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6.105
4. Larry Bird 5.612
5. Magic Johnson 5.104
6. Bill Russell 4.748
7. Shaquille O'Neal 4.380
8. Karl Malone 4.296
9. Tim Duncan 4.278
10. Kobe Bryant 4.202

[PhutureDynasty]

OK Larry.

[Bush4Ever.]

Bird was first or second in the vote for seven of the nine years he played in the 1980s (3rd/4th) the other years.

Magic was basically the same story for the 1983-1991 period.

[Shill Jackson]

Bird was first or second in the vote for seven of the nine years he played in the 1980s (3rd/4th) the other years.

Magic was basically the same story for the 1983-1991 period.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Not really sure what this is, other than another made-up stat that means absolutely nothing... unless we're supposed to be impressed that LeFraud is barely ahead despite playing 8 more "full" seasons than Jordan?

[wailuaFC]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

[Bush4Ever.]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

To TDK, anything you couldn't have found in a newspaper regular season box score in 1992 is a "made-up stat".

[thedangerouskitchen]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

Raw stats are what they are: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, PPG, AST/REB/STL/BLK per game... cut and dry yielding an absolute fact.

Example: You take 10 shots and make 5, you shot 50%. You Scored 20 points yesterday and 30 points the day before, your two-game Scoring average is 25.

Irrefutable facts.

A "made up" (or, Fake) stat is nothing but an arbitrary formula using random numbers designed to yield a "guess", and not a factual representation of a player's ability/skill.

Example... PER: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

A GUESS as to the Efficiency of a player, absolutely NOT fact. In fact, some of these made-up/fake stats are so far off and flawed that they're laughable. For instance Scottie Pippen ranks 135th all-time according to PER.

Enough said as to the credibility of these "guesses" which some fans (like bush) hold as gospel, though nothing could be further from the truth.

[wailuaFC]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

Raw stats are what they are: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, PPG, AST/REB/STL/BLK per game... cut and dry yielding an absolute fact.

Example: You take 10 shots and make 5, you shot 50%. You Scored 20 points yesterday and 30 points the day before, your two-game Scoring average is 25.

Irrefutable facts.

A "made up" (or, Fake) stat is nothing but an arbitrary formula using random numbers designed to yield a "guess", and not a factual representation of a player's ability/skill.

Example... PER: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

A GUESS as to the Efficiency of a player, absolutely NOT fact. In fact, some of these made-up/fake stats are so far off and flawed that they're laughable. For instance Scottie Pippen ranks 135th all-time according to PER.

Enough said as to the credibility of these "guesses" which some fans (like bush) hold as gospel, though nothing could be further from the truth.

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

[PhutureDynasty]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

Raw stats are what they are: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, PPG, AST/REB/STL/BLK per game... cut and dry yielding an absolute fact.

Example: You take 10 shots and make 5, you shot 50%. You Scored 20 points yesterday and 30 points the day before, your two-game Scoring average is 25.

Irrefutable facts.

A "made up" (or, Fake) stat is nothing but an arbitrary formula using random numbers designed to yield a "guess", and not a factual representation of a player's ability/skill.

Example... PER: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

A GUESS as to the Efficiency of a player, absolutely NOT fact. In fact, some of these made-up/fake stats are so far off and flawed that they're laughable. For instance Scottie Pippen ranks 135th all-time according to PER.

Enough said as to the credibility of these "guesses" which some fans (like bush) hold as gospel, though nothing could be further from the truth.

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

That's a fact actually.

[thedangerouskitchen]

What constitutes a “made up stat”? I see a lot of posts about them, but I don’t know how to differentiate made up stats vs real stats

Raw stats are what they are: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, PPG, AST/REB/STL/BLK per game... cut and dry yielding an absolute fact.

Example: You take 10 shots and make 5, you shot 50%. You Scored 20 points yesterday and 30 points the day before, your two-game Scoring average is 25.

Irrefutable facts.

A "made up" (or, Fake) stat is nothing but an arbitrary formula using random numbers designed to yield a "guess", and not a factual representation of a player's ability/skill.

Example... PER: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

A GUESS as to the Efficiency of a player, absolutely NOT fact. In fact, some of these made-up/fake stats are so far off and flawed that they're laughable. For instance Scottie Pippen ranks 135th all-time according to PER.

Enough said as to the credibility of these "guesses" which some fans (like bush) hold as gospel, though nothing could be further from the truth.

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

[wailuaFC]

Raw stats are what they are: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, PPG, AST/REB/STL/BLK per game... cut and dry yielding an absolute fact.

Example: You take 10 shots and make 5, you shot 50%. You Scored 20 points yesterday and 30 points the day before, your two-game Scoring average is 25.

Irrefutable facts.

A "made up" (or, Fake) stat is nothing but an arbitrary formula using random numbers designed to yield a "guess", and not a factual representation of a player's ability/skill.

Example... PER: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

A GUESS as to the Efficiency of a player, absolutely NOT fact. In fact, some of these made-up/fake stats are so far off and flawed that they're laughable. For instance Scottie Pippen ranks 135th all-time according to PER.

Enough said as to the credibility of these "guesses" which some fans (like bush) hold as gospel, though nothing could be further from the truth.

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

There are really only two traditional stats that measure defence. Steals and blocks. Pretending they are better than advanced stats is the stuff of morons.

Based on those traditional stats, Denis Rodman and Bruce Bowen are both awful defenders and Stromile Swift was a much better defender than either.

[wailuaFC]

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

There are really only two traditional stats that measure defence. Steals and blocks. Pretending they are better than advanced stats is the stuff of morons.

Based on those traditional stats, Denis Rodman and Bruce Bowen are both awful defenders and Stromile Swift was a much better defender than either.

There are no real stats that can refute those facts. It’s crazy though that someone who loves “real stats” so much screams about how much better Jordan is than LeBron despite LeBron being better at FG%, 3pt%, 3ptm, reb, assists, blocks while Jordan just leads in points, ft% and stl. Seems cut and dry based on the “real stats”

[Odogg]

No Wilt?

[Bush4Ever.]

Wilt is 11th.

Career MVP shares carry something of a bias for players that are the top 1-3 (or so) vs. players who are maybe top 5-10 or so, since the former will often carry very high values within-year, and a top 5-10 guy basically nothing, even if the players are not *that* different from each other in real terms. In other words, the gap in award shares between the winners and near-winners isn't precisely correlated to the difference in performance, and being A+ for a short period of time will generate more value than being A- for a longer period of time (since guys outside the top 3 and certainly top 5 get almost zero shares).

D-Rob vs. Hakeem is a good example (3.1 vs. 2.6 career shares, 16th vs 23rd all time).

Top 20 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 10
Hakeem: 13

Top 10 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 9
Hakeem: 10

Top 5 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 5
Hakeem: 6

Top 3 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 5
Hakeem: 2

Top 2 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 3
Hakeem: 2

Top 1 MVP Vote seasons:
D-Rob: 1
Hakeem: 1

[thedangerouskitchen]

Sounds good. AI was on par defensively with Jordan and better than Gary Payton because his steals per game told me so.

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

I said there are stats based on fundamental facts/truths as we know them to be (ie; raw stats), and then there are stats that are created by plugging random numbers into arbitrary (ie; made-up) formulas designed to yield a "guess" BUT subject to errors and flaws (some of them extreme)... unless, for example, you really believe Scottie Pippen was just the 135th best player in history (based on PER?)?

[wailuaFC]

Hey... if "career Steals per game" average is the only criteria you use to evaluate Defensive play/impact, so be it. I would obviously disagree because Steals are just one (1) of many criteria, but you are entitled to your opinion (even if it makes you look like a novice hoops fan).

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

I said there are stats based on fundamental facts/truths as we know them to be (ie; raw stats), and then there are stats that are created by plugging random numbers into arbitrary (ie; made-up) formulas designed to yield a "guess" BUT subject to errors and flaws (some of them extreme)... unless, for example, you really believe Scottie Pippen was just the 135th best player in history (based on PER?)?

Glad we can agree on the fundamental truth that AI is equal to Jordan defensively and way better than players like Payton, pippen, and rodman

[thedangerouskitchen]

You said box score stats are the only real stats, and since steals end a possession while blocks don’t, it’s the best measure of defense, right?

I said there are stats based on fundamental facts/truths as we know them to be (ie; raw stats), and then there are stats that are created by plugging random numbers into arbitrary (ie; made-up) formulas designed to yield a "guess" BUT subject to errors and flaws (some of them extreme)... unless, for example, you really believe Scottie Pippen was just the 135th best player in history (based on PER?)?

Glad we can agree on the fundamental truth that AI is equal to Jordan defensively and way better than players like Payton, pippen, and rodman

Stick to being the board Nice Guy... trolling clearly isn't your thing.

[Robceltsfan]

I said there are stats based on fundamental facts/truths as we know them to be (ie; raw stats), and then there are stats that are created by plugging random numbers into arbitrary (ie; made-up) formulas designed to yield a "guess" BUT subject to errors and flaws (some of them extreme)... unless, for example, you really believe Scottie Pippen was just the 135th best player in history (based on PER?)?

Glad we can agree on the fundamental truth that AI is equal to Jordan defensively and way better than players like Payton, pippen, and rodman

Stick to being the board Nice Guy... trolling clearly isn't your thing.

He’s not trolling….he’s just using your own bullshit against you.