Bob Cousy highlights... WOW, what a Passer!!!

[thedangerouskitchen]

I'm not surprised a fan of the 90s thought these highlights were something special.

Cousy's Passing skills (which is what the thread is about) are elite even by today's standards... only a blind person OR someone with a BB IQ of 5 will disagree.

[Robceltsfan]

LeFraud withOut 2-3 HOF teammates = 0 Rings, several choke-jobs.

What's your point?

Russell "inherited" a Celtics team with six (6) HOFERS on the roster, including the HOF backcourt of Cousy/Sharman, and another HOFER who joined the Celtics the same year (Heinsohn). The following year Boston added (yet) another HOFER (Sam Jones).

Cousy (pre Russell) never played with that much talent around him, and Bob was MVP on the league with Russ as his teammate.

Next.

No, Russell CREATED a bunch of Hall of Famers thanks to all the titles. The Lakers could have had 6-8 HOFer's on their squad too, if the Celtics didn't keep handing them their asses every season in the Finals. But they didn't. West and Baylor weren't good enough. Hell, even with Wilt they were barely good enough.

Russell is the greatest winner in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that very provable fact.

Russell didn't "create" Sharman, Cousy, Heinsohn, Jones, Hondo or Howell. Nice try though.

Russell: 25 series wins = 11 Championships
Jordan: 24 series wins = 6 Championships

In terms of raw numbers 11 > 6; howebver in terms of "level of difficulty" Jordan shits all over Russell.

Fact.

Yes....and the level of difficulty GREATLY favors Russell.

Jordan got plenty of those wins in early rounds playing teams in the lower half of the bracket.

Russell was playing in an 8-team league where every team was basically solid.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

No, Russell CREATED a bunch of Hall of Famers thanks to all the titles. The Lakers could have had 6-8 HOFer's on their squad too, if the Celtics didn't keep handing them their asses every season in the Finals. But they didn't. West and Baylor weren't good enough. Hell, even with Wilt they were barely good enough.

Russell is the greatest winner in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that very provable fact.

Russell didn't "create" Sharman, Cousy, Heinsohn, Jones, Hondo or Howell. Nice try though.

Russell: 25 series wins = 11 Championships
Jordan: 24 series wins = 6 Championships

In terms of raw numbers 11 > 6; howebver in terms of "level of difficulty" Jordan shits all over Russell.

Fact.

Yes....and the level of difficulty GREATLY favors Russell.

Jordan got plenty of those wins in early rounds playing teams in the lower half of the bracket.

Russell was playing in an 8-team league where every team was basically solid.

6-0 against Jerry West in the playoffs. 7-0 against Elgin Baylor in the playoffs. 7-1 against Wilt in the playoffs. 1-0 against WIlt, West and Baylor together in the playoffs.

In the 1962 series against the West/Baylor Celtics, Bill scored 30 and added 40 rebounds in the deciding game 7. For a guy who had no offense, he literally led the Celtics in scoring those finals with 23 a game and was by far the most efficient, to go along with 27 boards a game. He was second only to Cousy in assists (9.3 vs 5.7), but hey, he had no offensive skills.

[thedangerouskitchen]

LeFraud withOut 2-3 HOF teammates = 0 Rings, several choke-jobs.

What's your point?

Russell "inherited" a Celtics team with six (6) HOFERS on the roster, including the HOF backcourt of Cousy/Sharman, and another HOFER who joined the Celtics the same year (Heinsohn). The following year Boston added (yet) another HOFER (Sam Jones).

Cousy (pre Russell) never played with that much talent around him, and Bob was MVP on the league with Russ as his teammate.

Next.

No, Russell CREATED a bunch of Hall of Famers thanks to all the titles. The Lakers could have had 6-8 HOFer's on their squad too, if the Celtics didn't keep handing them their asses every season in the Finals. But they didn't. West and Baylor weren't good enough. Hell, even with Wilt they were barely good enough.

Russell is the greatest winner in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that very provable fact.

Two things. I always like to point to KC Jones as exhibit A in this. Here is a guy in the HOF after spending his entire career with Russell. He averaged 7.4 points, 4.3 assists and 3.5 boards per game in his 9 seasons. He never once averaged 10 points a game. He never once made an all star game, let alone an all NBA team. Yet, he is in the HOF? I wonder why?

As far as Wilt is concerned, I will correct you that even with West and Baylor, he still lost to Russell. Old man Russell, in his very last season in 1969 led the underdog Celtics to their 11th ring in 13 seasons and Wilt shit the bed.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF as a player with 0 Championships and a career line of 7/6/2/39%. In fact there's a bunch of non-Celtics players from Russell's era who are in the HOF with stats/production that are comparable to KC Jones (ie; Cooper, Tom Gola, Slater Martin, Al Cervi, Bob Houbregs, Dick McGuire, etc., etc.) ... which goes to prove just how STACKED those Celtics truly were, when even their role-players were just as good as HOFERS on other teams.

Also, as was noted, Cousy, Sharman, Jones, Heinsohn, Hondo and Howell were legit NBA stars and would have all been HOFERS with or withOut Russell.

[thedangerouskitchen]

No, Russell CREATED a bunch of Hall of Famers thanks to all the titles. The Lakers could have had 6-8 HOFer's on their squad too, if the Celtics didn't keep handing them their asses every season in the Finals. But they didn't. West and Baylor weren't good enough. Hell, even with Wilt they were barely good enough.

Russell is the greatest winner in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that very provable fact.

Russell didn't "create" Sharman, Cousy, Heinsohn, Jones, Hondo or Howell. Nice try though.

Russell: 25 series wins = 11 Championships
Jordan: 24 series wins = 6 Championships

In terms of raw numbers 11 > 6; howebver in terms of "level of difficulty" Jordan shits all over Russell.

Fact.

Yes....and the level of difficulty GREATLY favors Russell.

Jordan got plenty of those wins in early rounds playing teams in the lower half of the bracket.

Russell was playing in an 8-team league where every team was basically solid.

On average for Russ' career, for every 2 HOFERS on those Celtics' teams their opponents had just 1. So Russell had double (and sometimes TRIPLE) the amount of HOF help than his opponents AND you only needed to win 2 series for a Championship.

In other words Russell actually had the easiest road to the Championship than any other player ever. Hell, Russell actually faced SUB .500 opponents in the Finals!!

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

No, Russell CREATED a bunch of Hall of Famers thanks to all the titles. The Lakers could have had 6-8 HOFer's on their squad too, if the Celtics didn't keep handing them their asses every season in the Finals. But they didn't. West and Baylor weren't good enough. Hell, even with Wilt they were barely good enough.

Russell is the greatest winner in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that very provable fact.

Two things. I always like to point to KC Jones as exhibit A in this. Here is a guy in the HOF after spending his entire career with Russell. He averaged 7.4 points, 4.3 assists and 3.5 boards per game in his 9 seasons. He never once averaged 10 points a game. He never once made an all star game, let alone an all NBA team. Yet, he is in the HOF? I wonder why?

As far as Wilt is concerned, I will correct you that even with West and Baylor, he still lost to Russell. Old man Russell, in his very last season in 1969 led the underdog Celtics to their 11th ring in 13 seasons and Wilt shit the bed.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF as a player with 0 Championships and a career line of 7/6/2/39%. In fact there's a bunch of non-Celtics players from Russell's era who are in the HOF with stats/production that are comparable to KC Jones (ie; Cooper, Tom Gola, Slater Martin, Al Cervi, Bob Houbregs, Dick McGuire, etc., etc.) ... which goes to prove just how STACKED those Celtics truly were, when even their role-players were just as good as HOFERS on other teams.

Also, as was noted, Cousy, Sharman, Jones, Heinsohn, Hondo and Howell were legit NBA stars and would have all been HOFERS with or withOut Russell.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF more because he was the first black player drafted in the NBA than because of his production. Tom Gola made 5 all star teams, was top 10 in MVP votes twice and averaged over a dozen a game 8 times and 15 once. KC Jones never sniffed 10. Gola averaged double digit boards 4 times. Jones never once reached 5. They are hardly the same. Slater Martin made 7 all star teams and was all NBA 5 times. KC Jones never sniffed an all star game or an all NBA team. Al Cervi is in primarily for his time in the NBA predecessor league, the NBL where he was all league multiple times.

KC Jones is in the HOF for one reason. The rings on his fingers that Russell put there. He has no all star appearances, no all NBA teams, and averaged 7,4 and 4. Trying to pretend he is in for any other reason is freaking nonsense.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Two things. I always like to point to KC Jones as exhibit A in this. Here is a guy in the HOF after spending his entire career with Russell. He averaged 7.4 points, 4.3 assists and 3.5 boards per game in his 9 seasons. He never once averaged 10 points a game. He never once made an all star game, let alone an all NBA team. Yet, he is in the HOF? I wonder why?

As far as Wilt is concerned, I will correct you that even with West and Baylor, he still lost to Russell. Old man Russell, in his very last season in 1969 led the underdog Celtics to their 11th ring in 13 seasons and Wilt shit the bed.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF as a player with 0 Championships and a career line of 7/6/2/39%. In fact there's a bunch of non-Celtics players from Russell's era who are in the HOF with stats/production that are comparable to KC Jones (ie; Cooper, Tom Gola, Slater Martin, Al Cervi, Bob Houbregs, Dick McGuire, etc., etc.) ... which goes to prove just how STACKED those Celtics truly were, when even their role-players were just as good as HOFERS on other teams.

Also, as was noted, Cousy, Sharman, Jones, Heinsohn, Hondo and Howell were legit NBA stars and would have all been HOFERS with or withOut Russell.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF more because he was the first black player drafted in the NBA than because of his production. Tom Gola made 5 all star teams, was top 10 in MVP votes twice and averaged over a dozen a game 8 times and 15 once. KC Jones never sniffed 10. Gola averaged double digit boards 4 times. Jones never once reached 5. They are hardly the same. Slater Martin made 7 all star teams and was all NBA 5 times. KC Jones never sniffed an all star game or an all NBA team. Al Cervi is in primarily for his time in the NBA predecessor league, the NBL where he was all league multiple times.

KC Jones is in the HOF for one reason. The rings on his fingers that Russell put there. He has no all star appearances, no all NBA teams, and averaged 7,4 and 4. Trying to pretend he is in for any other reason is freaking nonsense.

LOTS of non-Celtics players with "role player" numbers are in the HOF from that era... that's a fact. The point is, even Boston's role-players were as good as many other HOFERS during that time period, which further emphasizes and confirms the fact that Russell's Celtics' teams were BY FAR the most stacked teams in the league during their Dynasty.

Couple that YUGE advantage with the fact that you only had to win 2 series' for a ring back then, and Russ' label as the "greatest winner" becomes highly debatable.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF as a player with 0 Championships and a career line of 7/6/2/39%. In fact there's a bunch of non-Celtics players from Russell's era who are in the HOF with stats/production that are comparable to KC Jones (ie; Cooper, Tom Gola, Slater Martin, Al Cervi, Bob Houbregs, Dick McGuire, etc., etc.) ... which goes to prove just how STACKED those Celtics truly were, when even their role-players were just as good as HOFERS on other teams.

Also, as was noted, Cousy, Sharman, Jones, Heinsohn, Hondo and Howell were legit NBA stars and would have all been HOFERS with or withOut Russell.

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF more because he was the first black player drafted in the NBA than because of his production. Tom Gola made 5 all star teams, was top 10 in MVP votes twice and averaged over a dozen a game 8 times and 15 once. KC Jones never sniffed 10. Gola averaged double digit boards 4 times. Jones never once reached 5. They are hardly the same. Slater Martin made 7 all star teams and was all NBA 5 times. KC Jones never sniffed an all star game or an all NBA team. Al Cervi is in primarily for his time in the NBA predecessor league, the NBL where he was all league multiple times.

KC Jones is in the HOF for one reason. The rings on his fingers that Russell put there. He has no all star appearances, no all NBA teams, and averaged 7,4 and 4. Trying to pretend he is in for any other reason is freaking nonsense.

LOTS of non-Celtics players with "role player" numbers are in the HOF from that era... that's a fact. The point is, even Boston's role-players were as good as many other HOFERS during that time period, which further emphasizes and confirms the fact that Russell's Celtics' teams were BY FAR the most stacked teams in the league during their Dynasty.

Couple that YUGE advantage with the fact that you only had to win 2 series' for a ring back then, and Russ' label as the "greatest winner" becomes highly debatable.

No, it isn't. I just disproved it in my last post. You name me one other guy who averaged 7,4,4 with no allstar appearances and no all NBA teams (or its predecessor NBL). I'll wait.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Chuck Cooper is in the HOF more because he was the first black player drafted in the NBA than because of his production. Tom Gola made 5 all star teams, was top 10 in MVP votes twice and averaged over a dozen a game 8 times and 15 once. KC Jones never sniffed 10. Gola averaged double digit boards 4 times. Jones never once reached 5. They are hardly the same. Slater Martin made 7 all star teams and was all NBA 5 times. KC Jones never sniffed an all star game or an all NBA team. Al Cervi is in primarily for his time in the NBA predecessor league, the NBL where he was all league multiple times.

KC Jones is in the HOF for one reason. The rings on his fingers that Russell put there. He has no all star appearances, no all NBA teams, and averaged 7,4 and 4. Trying to pretend he is in for any other reason is freaking nonsense.

LOTS of non-Celtics players with "role player" numbers are in the HOF from that era... that's a fact. The point is, even Boston's role-players were as good as many other HOFERS during that time period, which further emphasizes and confirms the fact that Russell's Celtics' teams were BY FAR the most stacked teams in the league during their Dynasty.

Couple that YUGE advantage with the fact that you only had to win 2 series' for a ring back then, and Russ' label as the "greatest winner" becomes highly debatable.

No, it isn't. I just disproved it in my last post. You name me one other guy who averaged 7,4,4 with no allstar appearances and no all NBA teams (or its predecessor NBL). I'll wait.

All elected to the HOF as Players
Slater Martin: 10 / 3 / 4 / 36%
Andy Phillip: 9 / 4 / 5 / 37%
Bob Davies: 14 / 3 / 5 / 38%
Tom Gola: 11 / 8 / 4 / 43%
Jim Pollard: 13 / 8 /3 / 36%
Bill Bradley: 12 / 3 / 3 / 45%
Al Cervi: 8 / 2 / 3 / 36%
Dick McGuire: 8 / 4 / 6 / 39%
Vern Mikkelsen: 14 / 9 / 2 / 40%
Bob Houbregs: 9 / 6 / 2 / 40%
KC Jones: 7 / 4 / 4 / 39% (with Boston)
Frank Ramsey: 13 / 6 / 2 / 40% (with Boston)

So if KC Jones and Frank Ramsey are in the HOF "only" because of Russell (ie; Rings) then how'd all those other (non Celtics) players get in (with role-player numbers)??

[Titan18]

LMAO!!! just saw that in Russell’s first two titles he had to win only 4 playoff series total and 3 of those series were against teams with losing records.

The fact that the “90s wErE wEaK” BWGC are trying to prop this dude up as the goat is the most god damn ironic thing I’ve ever seen

Buh Buh Buh but it’s different for “reasons”

[thedangerouskitchen]

LMAO!!! just saw that in Russell’s first two titles he had to win only 4 playoff series total and 3 of those series were against teams with losing records.

The fact that the “90s wErE wEaK” BWGC are trying to prop this dude up as the goat is the most god damn ironic thing I’ve ever seen

Buh Buh Buh but it’s different for “reasons”

...and sandwiched between those first 2 cakewalk Championships was a Loss to the LOWER seeded Hawks. Jordan never lost to a lower seed. Ever. Jordan got taken to Game 7 only two times... Russell went the distance a boatload of times (and IIRC won two of his Rings because Wilt couldn't hit a FT to save his life). Mike Swept more teams than Russ too, and for nearly a decade MJ never lost more than 2 games in a row... and if Jordan only needed to win 2 series for a title he would have finished with 12-14 Championships.

"Russell is the GOAT winner", my ass...