Can Kevin Love still help a contender?

[FPL]

He looks healthy and is putting up his normal numbers (second best TS% of his career after 18). Does he have enough left in the tank to put someone over the top?

Any other stars you guys are expecting to be moved?

[rileymartin]

Kevin Love would be a perfect fit next to Bam in Miami's frontcourt right now...

Unfortunately, the three years and 90 million owed to him after this season is tough to take on...

[Kingcarl24]

Portland not doing all they can to get him is really strange to me. He seems like he’s the perfect fit to what they need right now.

[vcsgrizzfan]

The contract is an anvil, and the fact he has put up good numbers on absolutely awful teams and his career won/loss is just sooooo awful without LeBron that I'd be very leery.

[Robceltsfan]

The contract is an anvil, and the fact he has put up good numbers on absolutely awful teams and his career won/loss is just sooooo awful without LeBron that I'd be very leery.

He's a #3 option role player at best....he proved that with Kyrie and Lebron in Cleveland. Great on the boards, decent enough offensively to help spread the floor....but nowhere near worthy of 30 mil a year.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Love has never been the same player since "LeBron Ball" turned him into a role-player, but even still, he's got the skills to be an asset to any contender.


((PS: Anyone who thinks he wouldn't have an impact on a contending team because he put up superstar numbers on non-contending teams should probably stop discussing basketball.))

[Robceltsfan]

Love has never been the same player since "LeBron Ball" turned him into a role-player, but even still, he's got the skills to be an asset to any contender.


((PS: Anyone who thinks he wouldn't have a impact on a contending team because he put up superstar numbers on non-contending teams should probably stop discussing basketball.))

Love had a 4-year stretch where he averaged 24/14 while missing 105 games and his team accumulating a record of 114-198 with zero playoff appearances.

I wouldn't exactly call that a "superstar" stretch of basketball, but then again, my life hasn't been ruined by Lebron James like yours has.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Love has never been the same player since "LeBron Ball" turned him into a role-player, but even still, he's got the skills to be an asset to any contender.


((PS: Anyone who thinks he wouldn't have a impact on a contending team because he put up superstar numbers on non-contending teams should probably stop discussing basketball.))

Love had a 4-year stretch where he averaged 24/14 while missing 105 games and his team accumulating a record of 114-198 with zero playoff appearances.

I wouldn't exactly call that a "superstar" stretch of basketball, but then again, my life hasn't been ruined by Lebron James like yours has.

Love in 4 seasons as a Starter (pre LeChump) averaged 23.5 / 13.7 / 3 / 45% / 37% / 82%... and that's on shitty teams where the opposing Defense's primary focus was on Love.

He averaged 26 / 12.5 / 4.4 / 46% / 38% / 82% the year before joining the Cavs... but yeah, the fact that the T'Wolves had shitty "team" records was clearly due to Love.

Dumbski...

[LeBronMonsterDunk]

Love was a Superstar before going to Cleveland?




LDS

[Robceltsfan]

TDK literally listed almost the same stats I did in the very post after mine.

Yikes...

[thedangerouskitchen]

ROFL at the LeBron dick-lickers pretending like 26 / 12.5 / 4.4 / 46% / 38% / 82% does not = superstar numbers.

[Havlicekstealsit]

I don't think any contenders will pick him up unless they suffer a major injury to their 4's nearing the trade deadline, but I can see one of these 5-9 seeds looking to solidify their PO spot picking him up by then, like the Blazers, Spurs, or Nets. Obviously we need to see who can afford that contract first.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I'm always leery of guys who put up great numbers on shitty teams over a long stretch without winning much.

Let's use two classic examples from the Grizzlies. Shareef Abdur Rahim and Pau Gasol.

They put up very similar numbers at different times for the Grizzlies. Shareef had slightly better numbers if you just look at points and boards, peaking out a little higher in both categories than Pau did, but it's splitting hairs. The numbers were very close.

The big difference was Pau really helped you win games. He played with equally crappy supporting casts as Shareef but managed to win 50 games and drag some sorry ass teams to the playoffs three times. He was smarter offensively, was less of a black hole with the ball, a better defender and passer etc... He impacted wins positively. Shareef was just the opposite. He got his, but he was a ball stopper, couldn't pass out of the double team to save his life, and could never be counted on when defenses tightened up late in games. He was a poorer defender who was too slow for quick 3s and not strong enough for the average PFs in the league. His stats were pure fool's gold while Pau's stats understated his great overall ability. Shareef was leading teams to 20 wins a year in his "good" years on the Grizzlies.

A lot of people who didn't watch much Grizzlies thought Shareef was all that and a bag of chips because of the 20 and 10. He sucked and was exposed after he left. He just couldn't help you win. Good players will "check out" sometimes on lousy teams and that's understandable. But if a guy consistently puts up the big numbers but never wins, be very, very leery.

Somewhat ironic that the Grizz traded Shareef for the pick that ended up being Pau.

[Robceltsfan]

I'm always leery of guys who put up great numbers on shitty teams over a long stretch without winning much.

Let's use two classic examples from the Grizzlies. Shareef Abdur Rahim and Pau Gasol.

They put up very similar numbers at different times for the Grizzlies. Shareef had slightly better numbers if you just look at points and boards, peaking out a little higher in both categories than Pau did, but it's splitting hairs. The numbers were very close.

The big difference was Pau really helped you win games. He played with equally crappy supporting casts as Shareef but managed to win 50 games and drag some sorry ass teams to the playoffs three times. He was smarter offensively, was less of a black hole with the ball, a better defender and passer etc... He impacted wins positively. Shareef was just the opposite. He got his, but he was a ball stopper, couldn't pass out of the double team to save his life, and could never be counted on when defenses tightened up late in games. He was a poorer defender who was too slow for quick 3s and not strong enough for the average PFs in the league. His stats were pure fool's gold while Pau's stats understated his great overall ability. Shareef was leading teams to 20 wins a year in his "good" years on the Grizzlies.

A lot of people who didn't watch much Grizzlies thought Shareef was all that and a bag of chips because of the 20 and 10. He sucked and was exposed after he left. He just couldn't help you win. Good players will "check out" sometimes on lousy teams and that's understandable. But if a guy consistently puts up the big numbers but never wins, be very, very leery.

Somewhat ironic that the Grizz traded Shareef for the pick that ended up being Pau.

Demarcus Cousins is a great example. Five year stretch....25/12 average....ZERO playoff games played.

[LNS]

No.

What teams would have to give up for him wouldn’t offset what he’d bring to the table.

[Kingcarl24]

No.

What teams would have to give up for him wouldn’t offset what he’d bring to the table.

Portland needs a win now mentality. This is the time for it and Melo isn’t the one to push you over the top.

[elmerjfudd]

It's not like they gave up anyone for Melo they can still make the deal if they want to. That said I don't think love gets them close to being over, they're at best Utah with love

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[rtiff68]

Never say never, but I don’t think so.

Generally speaking, the types of guys who are typically most helpful to contenders are guys who are very-good-to-elite at at LEAST one thing.

Love is a decent 3pt shooter, but he’s not a shooter who you run plays for. He puts up good defensive rebounding statistics, but is that enough to off-set the fact that he’s a defensive liability against basically anyone? He’s not great at any one thing, and he’s very poor at some things— I don’t think the moderate positives he brings are worth the liabilities that he creates.

[LookAway]

He looks healthy and is putting up his normal numbers (second best TS% of his career after 18). Does he have enough left in the tank to put someone over the top?

Any other stars you guys are expecting to be moved?

No he cracks under pressure. His brain is fried from the Marijuana and now whatever psych drug he is on