Trump officially pulls us out of the Iran deal

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Minkerton wrote:
Kobeunderbite wrote:
rileymartin wrote:
"The Trump administration has notified Congress that Iran is complying with the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal negotiated by former President Barack Obama, and says the U.S. has extended the sanctions relief given to the Islamic republic in exchange for curbs on its atomic program."

"As a candidate in the 2016 presidential election, Trump was an outspoken critic of the deal but had offered conflicting opinions on whether he would try to scrap it, modify it or keep it in place with more strenuous enforcement. Tuesday’s determination suggested that while Trump agreed with findings by the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran is keeping to its end of the bargain, he is looking for another way to ratchet up pressure on Tehran."

I know you're incapable of backing up your moronic assertions. No need to continue replying. Anyone with a brain can see that the deal paved the way for Iran to the bomb.
Wut?

Let me guess: it was a fantastic and fair deal that Iran was abiding by, and assuredly would have kept them in check?

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"This deal is bad because it sunsets in a decade. We are upset that in a decade they could build a bomb, so lets let them do it today!"
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Kobeunderbite wrote:
Minkerton wrote:
Kobeunderbite wrote:

I know you're incapable of backing up your moronic assertions. No need to continue replying. Anyone with a brain can see that the deal paved the way for Iran to the bomb.
Wut?


Let me guess: it was a fantastic and fair deal that Iran was abiding by, and assuredly would have kept them in check?

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About this non-deal...

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3867 ... t-the-pump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't like that part of it. 13 mpg doesn't go very far, especially at $4 a pop.




[Note: To be fair, it was all mumbo-jumbo about the reasoning and stuff after the first graph or two...]
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:About this non-deal...

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3867 ... t-the-pump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't like that part of it. 13 mpg doesn't go very far, especially at $4 a pop.




[Note: To be fair, it was all mumbo-jumbo about the reasoning and stuff after the first graph or two...]
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This is very good news. The Iranians are very very shady mothafuckin ppl
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Another great day for America.
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ripper76 wrote:Another great day for America.
Hey there... how are you? Could you and KUB kindly stop with the excessive voting alts/bots ... it’s very Iranesq... thank you in advance.
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Meltdown - CONFIRMED


There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That's why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America's interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran's nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today's announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies, and an agreement that our country's leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it's important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran's nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran's nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran's entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won't happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that's precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran's destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America's own security; and trigger an arms race in the world's most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran's nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe


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lettherebehouse wrote:Meltdown - CONFIRMED


There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That's why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America's interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran's nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today's announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies, and an agreement that our country's leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it's important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran's nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran's nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran's entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won't happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that's precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran's destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America's own security; and trigger an arms race in the world's most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran's nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe


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wisdomafterall wrote:This is very good news. The Iranians are very very shady mothafuckin ppl
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Trumpsters actually think this is a good move...
Jesus fucking Christ...open your damn eyes already...
On top of all the negatives it also makes the united states lose all credibility
Who the fucks gonna trust our word or any deal we try to make going forward?
Cometely stupid smoke screen by trump to deflect from his personal issues...Trumpsters slurping it all up like brainwashed morons
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ripper76 wrote:Another great day for America.
Utterly clueless as fuck
Wow
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elartman1973 wrote:Trumpsters actually think this is a good move...
Jesus fucking Christ...open your damn eyes already...
On top of all the negatives it also makes the united states lose all credibility
Who the fucks gonna trust our word or any deal we try to make going forward?
Cometely stupid smoke screen by trump to deflect from his personal issues...Trumpsters slurping it all up like brainwashed morons
So you're not a fan?
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LookAway wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:Trumpsters actually think this is a good move...
Jesus fucking Christ...open your damn eyes already...
On top of all the negatives it also makes the united states lose all credibility
Who the fucks gonna trust our word or any deal we try to make going forward?
Cometely stupid smoke screen by trump to deflect from his personal issues...Trumpsters slurping it all up like brainwashed morons
So you're not a fan?
Nobody outside trumps legal team should be a fan
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LookAway wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:Trumpsters actually think this is a good move...
Jesus fucking Christ...open your damn eyes already...
On top of all the negatives it also makes the united states lose all credibility
Who the fucks gonna trust our word or any deal we try to make going forward?
Cometely stupid smoke screen by trump to deflect from his personal issues...Trumpsters slurping it all up like brainwashed morons
So you're not a fan?
He doesn't have a clue what the deal was about in the first place, much less the fact that Trump campaigned on leaving the deal 3 years ago.
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LeBronMonsterDunk wrote:
LookAway wrote:
elartman1973 wrote:Trumpsters actually think this is a good move...
Jesus fucking Christ...open your damn eyes already...
On top of all the negatives it also makes the united states lose all credibility
Who the fucks gonna trust our word or any deal we try to make going forward?
Cometely stupid smoke screen by trump to deflect from his personal issues...Trumpsters slurping it all up like brainwashed morons
So you're not a fan?
He doesn't have a clue what the deal was about in the first place, much less the fact that Trump campaigned on leaving the deal 3 years ago.
100% wrong...I know way more than you do...and trump was an idiot then as he is now...that hasn't changed
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rileymartin wrote:Good move since the evidence suggests that Iran hasn't lived up to their obligations...It was certainly worth a shot though. Hopefully this wont be what happens with North Korea.
Sure, if you're a complete idiot who truly thought for even one second Iran would honor the deal.

,,,and Ovomit gave them, what, $400, $500 BILLION, when millions of Americans are homeless, jobless, and/or living in poverty?

Disgraceful.

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