Sorry Kobe fans

[thedangerouskitchen]

In the end all that really counts is 5 for 7 beats 3 for 7

Especially when none of kobes 5 involved

- ring chasing
- colluding
- lockouts
- elimination bail out shots from teammates
- suspensions to other teams series mvps
- multiple hall of fame prime teammates every single time

Oh yeah.. and getting a free pass to the finals by only facing one team with 50+ wins


Kobe has 4 legit titles with no bs. And 2 alpha hakeem 94 type rings. Plus the one he was obvious 2nd best but saved the season twice in the wcf and nba finals. Giving him 5 that hes worthy of

Lebron on the other hand has none that dont involve a giant asterisk..

So he can score all the points he wants.. itel never fix whats broken about his resume

In fairness, LeEasyWayOut deserves props for beating the Warriors last year... that one Championship trumps any one of Kobe's 5; plus let's also not forget 3 of Kobe's rings are of the second-fiddle variety.

On the other hand no player in NBA history (save for Magic and Russell) has had more free-rides to the Finals than James, while Kobe's road to the big dance was always much, much tougher.

At the end of the day, however, none of this matters because neither guy can hold the GOAT Michael Jordan's jock strap.

[Kennethgriffin]

brady is kobe

peyton is lebron



one side is all about regular season stat padding and will end up owning every record. but at the same time it comes with a shit playoff resume filled with mostly choking and being carried to titles by stacked teams

the other 2 are legends that win more often than they lose on the biggest stage. racked up a ton of rings without ever being bailed out or ring chasing somewhere else

[Jims_Doors]

In the end all that really counts is 5 for 7 beats 3 for 7

Especially when none of kobes 5 involved

- ring chasing
- colluding
- lockouts
- elimination bail out shots from teammates
- suspensions to other teams series mvps
- multiple hall of fame prime teammates

Oh yeah.. and getting a free pass to the finals by only facing one team with 50+ wins


Kobe has 4 legit titles with no bs. And 2 alpha hakeem 94 type rings. Plus the one he was obvious 2nd best but saved the season twice in the wcf and nba finals. Giving him 5 that hes worthy of

Lebron on the other hand has none that dont involve a giant asterisk..

So he can score all the points he wants.. itel never fix whats broken about his resume

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP

[elmerjfudd]

I like that griff is comparing Kobe to Brady. Seems appropriate


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[Kennethgriffin]

In the end all that really counts is 5 for 7 beats 3 for 7

Especially when none of kobes 5 involved

- ring chasing
- colluding
- lockouts
- elimination bail out shots from teammates
- suspensions to other teams series mvps
- multiple hall of fame prime teammates

Oh yeah.. and getting a free pass to the finals by only facing one team with 50+ wins


Kobe has 4 legit titles with no bs. And 2 alpha hakeem 94 type rings. Plus the one he was obvious 2nd best but saved the season twice in the wcf and nba finals. Giving him 5 that hes worthy of

Lebron on the other hand has none that dont involve a giant asterisk..

So he can score all the points he wants.. itel never fix whats broken about his resume

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP

you're forgetting that all of lebrons rings are worthless due to ring chasing, bail outs, lockouts, multiple prime hall of fame teammates ... oh yeah and suspensions to other teams finals MVP canadidates


if all 3 of lebrons rings were like kobes from 2009 and 2010. then he'd have an argument



kobes 2001 playoff run is also above any of lebrons bullshit

[Jims_Doors]

In the end all that really counts is 5 for 7 beats 3 for 7

Especially when none of kobes 5 involved

- ring chasing
- colluding
- lockouts
- elimination bail out shots from teammates
- suspensions to other teams series mvps
- multiple hall of fame prime teammates

Oh yeah.. and getting a free pass to the finals by only facing one team with 50+ wins


Kobe has 4 legit titles with no bs. And 2 alpha hakeem 94 type rings. Plus the one he was obvious 2nd best but saved the season twice in the wcf and nba finals. Giving him 5 that hes worthy of

Lebron on the other hand has none that dont involve a giant asterisk..

So he can score all the points he wants.. itel never fix whats broken about his resume

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP

you're forgetting that all of lebrons rings are worthless due to ring chasing, bail outs, lockouts, multiple prime hall of fame teammates ... oh yeah and suspensions to other teams finals MVP canadidates


if all 3 of lebrons rings were like kobes from 2009 and 2010. then he'd have an argument



kobes 2001 playoff run is also above any of lebrons bullshit

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP[/quote]
Can't be disputed. Leead team in every postseason in points, rebounds, assists for all 3 rings.

[xer0]

The only ring that LeBron actually somewhat earned was last seasons, and even then it took one of the biggest chokejobs of all time coupled with Draymond's suspension which shouldn't have happened, and there's the fact that the competition in the East was a joke. LeBron needs to much help from the league to be taken seriously. All of his rings are a joke.

[Kennethgriffin]

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP

you're forgetting that all of lebrons rings are worthless due to ring chasing, bail outs, lockouts, multiple prime hall of fame teammates ... oh yeah and suspensions to other teams finals MVP canadidates


if all 3 of lebrons rings were like kobes from 2009 and 2010. then he'd have an argument



kobes 2001 playoff run is also above any of lebrons bullshit

3 rings, 3FMVP's, 4MVP's > 2 non-Sidekick rings, 2FMVP's and 1MVP

Can't be disputed. Leead team in every postseason in points, rebounds, assists for all 3 rings.

in 3 of the 4 cavs victories. they were all basically blow outs. and heres kyrie/lebrons scoring play by play between when the game was in the balance and when it was out of reach


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back






all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments








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2nd leading scorers in nba finals/championship history

2016 Kyrie Irving 27.1
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
1958 Cliff Hagan 25.3 ( pettit 29.3 )
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Hamilton playoff and finals leader. )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )







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[Kennethgriffin]

kyrie = all the key shots

kyrie = the series winning shot

draymond = suspended

collude with 2 other prime future hall of famers






...shit title

[Jims_Doors]

kyrie = all the key shots

kyrie = the series winning shot

draymond = suspended

collude with 2 other prime future hall of famers






...shit title

3 rings, 3FMVP, 4MVP , 13 seasons and counting >>>>> 2 Side-kick rings, 2 FMVP, 1MVP, 20 seasons

[Kennethgriffin]

kyrie = all the key shots

kyrie = the series winning shot

draymond = suspended

collude with 2 other prime future hall of famers






...shit title

3 rings, 3FMVP, 4MVP , 13 seasons and counting >>>>> 2 Side-kick rings, 2 FMVP, 1MVP, 20 seasons

why didn't you quote this instead

in 3 of the 4 cavs victories. they were all basically blow outs. and heres kyrie/lebrons scoring play by play between when the game was in the balance and when it was out of reach


cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


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cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



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cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back






all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments








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2nd leading scorers in nba finals/championship history

2016 Kyrie Irving 27.1
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
1958 Cliff Hagan 25.3 ( pettit 29.3 )
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Hamilton playoff and finals leader. )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )







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[Jims_Doors]

What's Kyrie doing when he's not scoring?????





What's LeBron doing when he's not scoring?

[Kennethgriffin]

What's Kyrie doing when he's not scoring?????





What's LeBron doing when he's not scoring?

when kyrie isnt scoring the games blown out of reach and lebrons stat padding for finals mvps... thats what hes doing


as i showed with the timeline

[Jims_Doors]

What's Kyrie doing when he's not scoring?????





What's LeBron doing when he's not scoring?

when kyrie isnt scoring the games blown out of reach and lebrons stat padding for finals mvps... thats what hes doing


as i showed with the timeline

The timeline is completely cherry picked.....

James 2016 Finals, against a 73 win team and coming back a 3-1 deficit, completely shits on anything Kobe ever did. LeBron had more 40pt games in the Finals in 3 days than Kobe did in 20yrs. He did it all in his 6th straight Finals appearance and with a rookie coach. He's still playin' while your boy's crying at home about another broken record of his by James. The record James won't catch of Kobe's is "most FGA missed all-time"

You aint got shit, brah.

[Kennethgriffin]

What's Kyrie doing when he's not scoring?????





What's LeBron doing when he's not scoring?

when kyrie isnt scoring the games blown out of reach and lebrons stat padding for finals mvps... thats what hes doing


as i showed with the timeline

The timeline is completely cherry picked.....

James 2016 Finals, against a 73 win team and coming back a 3-1 deficit, completely shits on anything Kobe ever did. LeBron had more 40pt games in the Finals in 3 days than Kobe did in 20yrs. He did it all in his 6th straight Finals appearance and with a rookie coach. He's still playin' while your boy's crying at home about another broken record of his by James. The record James won't catch of Kobe's is "most FGA missed all-time"

You aint got shit, brah.

Yes its cherry picked. Based on when the games were in the balance...

Thats the whole point


Its not picked to favor either guy. Its picked to favor whoever scored during the important moments when the pressure was at its highest


Lebron padded his stats when the games were already decided

[elmouse03]

I see a long written post or 2. Who made griff snap?

[Kennethgriffin]

I see a long written post or 2. Who made griff snap?

Its 90% copy and paste material since this discussion has already taken place 100 times