why kobe will always have a better case than lebron against jordan

[Kennethgriffin]

And then there was one...griff might be the last kobe kid left from espn gen who still thinks he's better than LeGoat.

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/ ... ael-jordan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sep 7, 2016

Feb. 5th, 2015
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nb ... rank-11-15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;












TOP 5


All-Time #NBArank 5: Wilt Chamberlain

All-Time #NBArank 4: Magic Johnson

All-Time #NBArank 3: LeBron James

All-Time #NBArank 2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

All-Time #NBArank 1: Michael Jordan

i dunno if it was your or someone else who replied with this before


but i'l retort the same way to this as i did the last time


i'l agree 100% that espn writers collectively believe kobe sucks if you agree that people in general agree that kobe is legendary and the best since mj, better than lebron etc...


no shame in that... henry abbott is just a writer. his staff are just guys with journalist degrees that read box scores. so no doubt theyed believe analytics are the end all be all



so lets agree on it

henry abbott = lebron > kobe

the world = kobe > lebron

[AbeVigodaLive]

they were built on defense

do you forget how good robinson still was?

34-year old Danny Ferry was a defensive monster for sure! Only surpassed by the 37 year old Terry Porter, 35 year old Avery Johnson and 35 year old Steve Kerr.

Antonio Daniels played about as much as the 35 year old David Robinson did. Malik Rose and Samaki Walker played 22+ minutes per game in the playoffs.

DOMINANT!

they were the #1 defensive team in the nba ( #1 defensive rating )

so what exactly are you trying to do... your best stephen a smith impressions? where you say 1 name in an odd way to insult an entire roster?

If you made a claim that the 2001 Spurs were the best defensive team in 2001... fair enough. But that wasn't your argument.

You claimed a team with Antonio Daniels, Danny Ferry, Malik Rose, Derek Anderson and washed-up Avery Johnson was better than the Golden State Warriors...

[Jims_Doors]

MVPs are worthless, but Lebron surpassed Kobe by beating a 73 win team in the finals.

In doing so, he also proved why MVPs are worthless actually

It happened well before that. LeBron has pretty much been considered first option/captain on his teams outside of maybe his rookie year and definitely 2011 with the Heat

Kobe, as first option/captain on the Lakers, had a pretty quiet career outside of 3yrs when LA went to the Finals. Even then he only played well in 1 of 3.

does anyone even read polls anymore


this is general knowledge personified. the same criteria as jordans goat candidacy

majority rules

you can personally say you think lebron lebron passed kobe. but you can't talk about it as fact if more people disagree with you than agree with you on that subject







this poll was done AFTER the finals.... even with lebrons hype at an all time high


ON LESPN.. his home network

James was already voted top 3 well BEFORE the 2016 Finals.

[Kennethgriffin]

It happened well before that. LeBron has pretty much been considered first option/captain on his teams outside of maybe his rookie year and definitely 2011 with the Heat

Kobe, as first option/captain on the Lakers, had a pretty quiet career outside of 3yrs when LA went to the Finals. Even then he only played well in 1 of 3.

does anyone even read polls anymore


this is general knowledge personified. the same criteria as jordans goat candidacy

majority rules

you can personally say you think lebron lebron passed kobe. but you can't talk about it as fact if more people disagree with you than agree with you on that subject







this poll was done AFTER the finals.... even with lebrons hype at an all time high


ON LESPN.. his home network

It's close, but lebron surpassed him.

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not according to reality



people put more stock in skills than media hype and ring chasing




kobes rings in 2009 and 2010 can't be touched.. and even his 2001 and 2002 runs are more legit than any ring chasing, collude super team lockout mess or ray allen bail out.... and especially an adam silver suspension rigging in a shit era


lebron has absolutely ZERO prestige for any of his titles


not one of them can anyone say "ok i'l agree he earned it" .. not one

and the fans recognize this

[vegasfraud]

the fans on a poll you could vote multiple times in. i remember griff trying to use this same poll months ago. then i voted. cleared my cookies and voted again. then laughed at his poll. he's probably still voting in it. lol.

[Jims_Doors]

http://www.espn.com/sportsnation/story/ ... ael-jordan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sep 7, 2016

Feb. 5th, 2015
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nb ... rank-11-15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;












TOP 5


All-Time #NBArank 5: Wilt Chamberlain

All-Time #NBArank 4: Magic Johnson

All-Time #NBArank 3: LeBron James

All-Time #NBArank 2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

All-Time #NBArank 1: Michael Jordan

i dunno if it was your or someone else who replied with this before


but i'l retort the same way to this as i did the last time


i'l agree 100% that espn writers collectively believe kobe sucks if you agree that people in general agree that kobe is legendary and the best since mj, better than lebron etc...


no shame in that... henry abbott is just a writer. his staff are just guys with journalist degrees that read box scores. so no doubt theyed believe analytics are the end all be all



so lets agree on it

henry abbott = lebron > kobe

the world = kobe > lebron

I'll trust actually basketball journalists and those who do it for a living > 10yr old boys from China voting for Kobe.

Hell, James has been the best player (besides MJ) since MJ's first retirement back in 93'

Once Kobe got his own team and jumped into the big boy 1st option discussions, he had a pretty quiet career. Especially in the postseason outside of 3yrs.

[Kennethgriffin]

It happened well before that. LeBron has pretty much been considered first option/captain on his teams outside of maybe his rookie year and definitely 2011 with the Heat

Kobe, as first option/captain on the Lakers, had a pretty quiet career outside of 3yrs when LA went to the Finals. Even then he only played well in 1 of 3.

does anyone even read polls anymore


this is general knowledge personified. the same criteria as jordans goat candidacy

majority rules

you can personally say you think lebron lebron passed kobe. but you can't talk about it as fact if more people disagree with you than agree with you on that subject







this poll was done AFTER the finals.... even with lebrons hype at an all time high


ON LESPN.. his home network

James was already voted top 3 well BEFORE the 2016 Finals.

i put more stock in the overall majority of people than a few hand picked writers at espn

you honestly think they hire anyone but lebron nuttswallowers and geeks that just wake up in the morning and check box scores?



if i made a website. got 100 people together from around the building whos jobs are just statistical research. got them to vote on whos better between kobe and lebron... and kobe came out ontop. would that be more legit than a poll involving everyone on the fucking planet?

with

- no bias
- no limitations
- no criteria or agendas

and the espn poll was influenced by analytics/per etc...

they only gave actual resumes maybe 1/10 consideration ...


look at hakeems entire body of work. kobe equalled it in just the time after shaq

- same finals
- same rings
- same mvps
- same finals mvps
- more 1st team all nbas
- more 1st team all defenses
- more starting allstar games
- more 40,50,60 point games



yet that. combined with all the things he did with shaq doesnt equal or surpass hakeem? really? why? because hakeem was more efficient due to being a fucking center?

get the fuck outa here

lol

[Jims_Doors]

does anyone even read polls anymore


this is general knowledge personified. the same criteria as jordans goat candidacy

majority rules

you can personally say you think lebron lebron passed kobe. but you can't talk about it as fact if more people disagree with you than agree with you on that subject







this poll was done AFTER the finals.... even with lebrons hype at an all time high


ON LESPN.. his home network

It's close, but lebron surpassed him.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

not according to reality



people put more stock in skills than media hype and ring chasing




kobes rings in 2009 and 2010 can't be touched.. and even his 2001 and 2002 runs are more legit than any ring chasing, collude super team lockout mess or ray allen bail out.... and especially an adam silver suspension rigging in a shit era


lebron has absolutely ZERO prestige for any of his titles


not one of them can anyone say "ok i'l agree he earned it" .. not one

and the fans recognize this

Kobe demanding to play for the Lakers and refusing to sign with any other team is a clear definition of a ring chaser.

2001 and 02 were 2nd option rings. He didn't get street cred till Shaq was traded.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Kobe and Jordan were pure 100% Alpha in every sense of the word... they didn't run chicken to form superteams, and they always wanted the last shot (where as LeBeta would rather defer to his teammates when the pressure is greatest).

[Kennethgriffin]

Feb. 5th, 2015
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nb ... rank-11-15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;












TOP 5


All-Time #NBArank 5: Wilt Chamberlain

All-Time #NBArank 4: Magic Johnson

All-Time #NBArank 3: LeBron James

All-Time #NBArank 2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

All-Time #NBArank 1: Michael Jordan

i dunno if it was your or someone else who replied with this before


but i'l retort the same way to this as i did the last time


i'l agree 100% that espn writers collectively believe kobe sucks if you agree that people in general agree that kobe is legendary and the best since mj, better than lebron etc...


no shame in that... henry abbott is just a writer. his staff are just guys with journalist degrees that read box scores. so no doubt theyed believe analytics are the end all be all



so lets agree on it

henry abbott = lebron > kobe

the world = kobe > lebron

I'll trust actually basketball journalists and those who do it for a living > 10yr old boys from China voting for Kobe.

Hell, James has been the best player (besides MJ) since MJ's first retirement back in 93'

Once Kobe got his own team and jumped into the big boy 1st option discussions, he had a pretty quiet career. Especially in the postseason outside of 3yrs.

do you realize that to become a basketball journalist who votes for polls on espn... all you need is

- writing experience
- an understanding of analytics
- an appreciation for lebron james
- a disdain for kobe bryant


you don't have to know the history of the game. 90% of the guys working for espn who vote on these polls dont even appear on tv lol... theyre just people doing most of henry abbots research and coffee runs probly



there were 100+ people voting.. yet i only ever see or hear from maybe 10 guys... who are these other people? lol


interns?

[Kennethgriffin]

It's close, but lebron surpassed him.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

not according to reality



people put more stock in skills than media hype and ring chasing




kobes rings in 2009 and 2010 can't be touched.. and even his 2001 and 2002 runs are more legit than any ring chasing, collude super team lockout mess or ray allen bail out.... and especially an adam silver suspension rigging in a shit era


lebron has absolutely ZERO prestige for any of his titles


not one of them can anyone say "ok i'l agree he earned it" .. not one

and the fans recognize this

Kobe demanding to play for the Lakers and refusing to sign with any other team is a clear definition of a ring chaser.

2001 and 02 were 2nd option rings. He didn't get street cred till Shaq was traded.

like ive said many times before. even if this were true... in order for it to have taken place. kobe would had to of sent out the memo well before the draft. which was months before shaq was traded to LA

the team was basically just cedric ceballos, nick van exel and eddie jones

magic had already decided to retire


how is that ring chasing? he wanted to be a laker more for his love for them growing up ( IF what you say is true )

[Jims_Doors]

does anyone even read polls anymore


this is general knowledge personified. the same criteria as jordans goat candidacy

majority rules

you can personally say you think lebron lebron passed kobe. but you can't talk about it as fact if more people disagree with you than agree with you on that subject







this poll was done AFTER the finals.... even with lebrons hype at an all time high


ON LESPN.. his home network

James was already voted top 3 well BEFORE the 2016 Finals.

i put more stock in the overall majority of people than a few hand picked writers at espn

you honestly think they hire anyone but lebron nuttswallowers and geeks that just wake up in the morning and check box scores?



if i made a website. got 100 people together from around the building whos jobs are just statistical research. got them to vote on whos better between kobe and lebron... and kobe came out ontop. would that be more legit than a poll involving everyone on the fucking planet?

with

- no bias
- no limitations
- no criteria or agendas

and the espn poll was influenced by analytics/per etc...

they only gave actual resumes maybe 1/10 consideration ...


look at hakeems entire body of work. kobe equalled it in just the time after shaq

- same finals
- same rings
- same mvps
- same finals mvps
- more 1st team all nbas
- more 1st team all defenses
- more starting allstar games
- more 40,50,60 point games



yet that. combined with all the things he did with shaq doesnt equal or surpass hakeem? really? why? because hakeem was more efficient due to being a fucking center?

get the fuck outa here

lol

That's something you'll have to ask the expert panel of writers who made the list.

[Jims_Doors]

not according to reality



people put more stock in skills than media hype and ring chasing




kobes rings in 2009 and 2010 can't be touched.. and even his 2001 and 2002 runs are more legit than any ring chasing, collude super team lockout mess or ray allen bail out.... and especially an adam silver suspension rigging in a shit era


lebron has absolutely ZERO prestige for any of his titles


not one of them can anyone say "ok i'l agree he earned it" .. not one

and the fans recognize this

Kobe demanding to play for the Lakers and refusing to sign with any other team is a clear definition of a ring chaser.

2001 and 02 were 2nd option rings. He didn't get street cred till Shaq was traded.

like ive said many times before. even if this were true... in order for it to have taken place. kobe would had to of sent out the memo well before the draft. which was months before shaq was traded to LA

the team was basically just cedric ceballos, nick van exel and eddie jones

magic had already decided to retire


how is that ring chasing? he wanted to be a laker more for his love for them growing up ( IF what you say is true )

They were a 4 seed for the playoffs. You forgot to mention Elden Campbell and Vlade was part of that team.....you know the young stud Center that LA agreed to trade to Charlotte for Kobe(before the draft started) cause they knew Shaq wanted to play in LA.

It's ring chasing cause LA was the 2md most successful franchise in NBA history. Who has a better chance of acquiring talent at the time, Lakers or the Nets who originally wanted to draft Kobe and he said "NO, don't do it, I won't sign?"

[Kennethgriffin]

imagine if the entire world thought lebron was the GOAT. and the only guys who thought jordan was better were henry abbott, mark stein, john hollinger, brian windhorst and amin elhassan








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/doorslife

[Kennethgriffin]

btw... its so obvious jims_doors is kub


he uses that alt to talk to me because he doesnt wanna get owned publicly in debates he knows i'l end up blowing him the fuck out at